Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (May Poll)

[Avenged7Fold]

An aging population with a shrinking work force is a recipe for economic disaster.

Yup, ever increasing cost and burden of public services relative to tax paid among other things.

 

[Errol]

So we will be leaving then.

Good.

 

[Freakbro]

"Immigrants" do not make a net contribution to our society. Why do people keep restating this lie? Some immigrants make a small net contribution, namely those from the EEA and other Western nations. Non-EU/Western immigration costs us money.

Hmm, if you notice I said 'they [The Government] say immigration brings a net benefit' So go tell them they are wrong and you are right

Most years we've made a loss due to immigration.

That just depends on whose figures you are reading

We need to cut non-Western immigration to as good as zero. Otherwise all we're doing is creating problems for the future.

Hmm, wouldn't the NHS collapse overnight if you did that?

 

[Freakbro]

An aging population with a shrinking work force is a recipe for economic disaster.

A solution for Chris then.....kill all the old people, two birds with one stone, job done!

 

[FishFluff]

"Immigrants" do not make a net contribution to our society. Why do people keep restating this lie? Some immigrants make a small net contribution, namely those from the EEA and other Western nations. Non-EU/Western immigration costs us money.

Most years we've made a loss due to immigration. When we have made a net income, it's only been a few billion. Which might sound like a lot, but is dwarfed by our Overseas Aid spending. It's nothing.

We need to cut non-Western immigration to as good as zero. Otherwise all we're doing is creating problems for the future.

Bold and underline doesn't turn nonsense into facts.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

An aging population with a shrinking work force is a recipe for economic disaster.

And the solution to that is to better support British couples, not import half the third world.

Anyway, within a generation AI/Robotics/Automation will be cutting huge swathes through the jobs market. We don't need large amounts of low skilled labour.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Bold and underlines doesn't turn nonsense into facts.

These are facts.

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/fiscal-impact-immigration-uk

 

[Chris Wilson]

Yup, ever increasing cost and burden of public services relative to tax paid among other things.

As the population level dropped surely the demand on services would, too? I appreciate us oldies are a burden on health services unless we have private health insurance, but there does not appear to me to be much of a lack of young children about the place. Maybe a large number of the sprogs are borne to ****less families and single mothers and show little hope of being givers to the economy, but rather takers from it?


Is a lowering of our economic prosperity a worthy price to pay for a lower population level though? To me it possibly is.

 

[Freakbro]

These are facts.

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/fiscal-impact-immigration-uk

Like I said, it just depends whose lies statistics you are reading, so of course you will choose the ones that support your POV

But other people's data show different as stated in that link of yours

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Reducing population will not necessarily reduce the cost of running relative to tax paid though.

Remove young migrant tax payers and though technically there will be less need for public services there will also be less money being paid for them and because the proportion of low or non tax payers relative to tax payers has increased, overall the burden will be higher.

 

[Tunney]

And the solution to that is to better support British couples, not import half the third world.

Most British couples don't want big families. I agree that there should be more support (e.g. genuinely affordable childcare) but you can't force people to have more children.

 

[Freakbro]

Maybe a large number of the sprogs are borne to ****less families and single mothers and show little hope of being givers to the economy, but rather takers from it?

Wow, your prejudices just keep on coming don't they! I can see you are a Tory product of the 80's - haven't heard the old bash the single mothers comments for a while

You do realise (probably not though) that over 50% of the population are net takers from the economy, are they all from ****less families and single parents?

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Can't tell if hilariously playing the role of a prejudice old person or genuinely believes...

 

[Freakbro]

Oh, he's genuine alright

 

[Casdawer]

IN.

I'm all for the United States of Europe and firmly believe we need to integrate more with Europe, not less.

I WE are Europeans and I don't want that to change. People want England / UK / GB to return to its former place in the world and that is no longer an option.

The world has changed and we need to change with it.

Yes, the EU has its faults but it's still young and like any child you take care of it and nurture it, not abandon it and go back to the single life where everything was great and you were free to do whatever you like /s

 

[Tunney]

As the population level dropped surely the demand on services would, too? I appreciate us oldies are a burden on health services unless we have private health insurance, but there does not appear to me to be much of a lack of young children about the place.

40% of NHS spending is on people over the age of 65. 66% of benefits are paid to the over 65s. Someone has to pay for that and it's people in work. If the number of people in work decreases then every person left has to pay more.

And it's not just public health spending that's the issue. Health insurance prices would go through the roof if there weren't enough doctors, nurses and carers.

 

[kitkat2015]

IN.

I'm all for the United States of Europe and firmly believe we need to integrate more with Europe, not less.

I WE are Europeans and I don't want that to change. People want England / UK / GB to return to its former place in the world and that is no longer an option.

The world has changed and we need to change with it.

Yes, the EU has its faults but it's still young and like any child you take care of it and nurture it, not abandon it and go back to the single life where everything was great and you were free to do whatever you like /s

Wow, just Wow.

I class myself as British NOT european. Never will.

The world has changed but the eu is just a communist state with unelected morons wasting our money & ruining our lives.

The eu is not a child, it's an old outdated dinosaur that needs putting down.

I cannot believe you blindly voting to stay.

 

[Third Opinion]

I think them bringing in Obama to threaten made my mind up for definite I want out.

Last time we took advice from the US on foreign policy we ended up in two wars.

 

[Mr Jack]

The immigrants to those countries is a very recent phenomenon as you're well aware whilst we've had persistent and large scale immigration over a long period of time.

No, that figure shows the proportion of the total population who are immigrant; not flows.

 

[Hades]

Hmm, wouldn't the NHS collapse overnight if you did that?

Many people say this will happen and it would if we simply cut immigration. But at the root of the issue is that UK citizens are less inclined to go into that profession. So if we tackled that issue then the void would attract people.

I guess the question is whether the current deterrant is because of pay or conditions? If it's pay then we're simply using immigration to keep wages low... even though we're constantly told immigration doesn't do that. So if it's conditions then we're just using immigration to keep working conditions in a worse state.