The EU Referendum: Polling Day

John40 · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:50

Mynight said:
Are these forums linked to a commercial entity?

Yes

phil675 · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:51

Anyone up for a results sleepover thread?

McstylisT · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:52

Because they believe they will face legal action about it today. When they will not because it's a forum, not a media or influencing organisation. Read statistics and believe it. No actually find the facts.

Mynight · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:52

John40 said:
Yes

Ahh right no idea then.

McstylisT · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:53

Phil99 said:
Is this coming from personal experience having lived or extensively travelled on the continent, or your opinion from the outside looking in, so to speak?

Of course experience. Oh Man. #remainuined.

estebanrey · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:53

Whilst I voted 'Leave', I'm getting a bit embarrassed by my fellow voters pushing this Pencilgate line. They're forgetting that....

A) It's a lot cheaper to buy 200k pencils than 200k ball-point pens.

B) Pen marked papers can also be 'corrected' without spoiling the ballot paper.

C) Pencils have been used is all previous elections.

D) It's far easier to pay one guy to switch a box of real papers with pre-filled ones than it is to pay a team of people and arm them with erasers to modify actual ones..

G-MAN2004 · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:54

Kenai said:
It's an EU conspiracy because OcUK is owned by Germans and they can't let anything get in the way of the fourth reich

Come on and slam and welcome to Germanistan!

robfosters · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:54

Surely the mods don't believe that they will get in trouble for running a poll? It's an Internet forum for computer geeks (I include myself in that). No one cares.

Chojin · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:54

Panos said:
Came back from the polling station. Voted Leave, having my conscience clear and I will sleep easy for the rest of my life, knowing that did my duty to Queen and country, as per the oath I gave to complete my naturalization process. (because some are not hypocrites)

Now off to the cinema for Independence Day

If only more people thought like this.

Zethor · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:54

Phil99 said:
Oh come off it. Both sides were as bad as each other in that respect.

This type of relativism mixed with whataboutery is getting really, really old. No, both sides were not as bad as each other.

One side is fueled by nativism/xenophobia or traditionalism/empire melancholia, little to no facts, proven to be wrong statistics, little/no expert support and backed by a few fringe politicians. The other is fueled by risk aversion, much more accurate statistics, overwhelming expert support and it is backed by the whole bloody world.

Yes you can nitpick and find crazies on the Remain side too but generally speaking, it is the sane position no matter how you twist things.

AS_Platinum · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:55

Another 2 two leaves here.

estebanrey · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:55

glen8 said:
That's what made me nearly vote remain as well. The EU is full of idiots, but they are not as idiotic as our lot. The only sticking point with me, is that even if we have idiots running the country we are able to vote them out and get another load of idiots in.

Yet this is an odd mentality to me. Basically you prefer a dictatorship you agree with than an elected government you don't. This seems very selfish and short-term thinking to me.

McstylisT · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:55

estebanrey said:
Whilst I voted 'Leave', I'm getting a bit embarrassed by my fellow voters pushing this Pencilgate line. They're forgetting that....

A) It's a lot cheaper to buy 200k pencils than 200k ball-point pens.

B) Pen marked papers can also be 'corrected' without spoiling the ballot paper.

C) Pencils have been used is all previous elections.

D) It's far easier to pay one guy to switch a box of real papers with pre-filled ones than it is to pay a team of people and arm them with erasers to modify actual ones..

Yes totally agree. However I think it's just a weird way of our voters passion to get Britian back on the right path.

delta0 · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:56

Leave is going to be the ultimate bargaining chip we can have. I do hope we get it. It would be great to avoid corruption and lobbying susceptible EU. The diesel disaster is one of many things caused by the EU.

The EU is centralising government more and it is only going to harm the UK. Juncker already feels the EU is too diluted and wants more EU control. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...closer-union-claims-jean-claude-a7095966.html This is scary!

madindehead · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:58

robfosters said:
Surely the mods don't believe that they will get in trouble for running a poll? It's an Internet forum for computer geeks (I include myself in that). No one cares.

It's not the mods. People from OcUK asked that the poll be removed. It is technically reporting how people voted, and that isn't allowed.

It will probably be posted again after the polls close.

Six6siX · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:58

delta0 said:
Leave is going to be the ultimate bargaining chip we can have. I do hope we get it. It would be great to avoid corruption and lobbying susceptible EU. The diesel disaster is one of many things caused by the EU.

How is it a bargaining chip? For what exactly?

McstylisT · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:58

Panos said:
Came back from the polling station. Voted Leave, having my conscience clear and I will sleep easy for the rest of my life, knowing that did my duty to Queen and country, as per the oath I gave to complete my naturalization process. (because some are not hypocrites)

Now off to the cinema for Independence Day

You go Panos. You enjoy that movie.

glenimp617 · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:58

estebanrey said:
Yet this is an odd mentality to me. Basically you prefer a dictatorship you agree with than an elected government you don't. This seems very selfish and short-term thinking to me.

what are you talking about, unless you quoted the wrong post

estebanrey · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:58

Zethor said:
This type of relativism mixed with whataboutery is getting really, really old. No, both sides were not as bad as each other.

One side is fueled by nativism/xenophobia or traditionalism/empire melancholia, little to no facts, proven to be wrong statistics, little/no expert support and backed by a few fringe politicians. The other is fueled by risk aversion, much more accurate statistics, overwhelming expert support and it is backed by the whole bloody world.

Yes you can nitpick and find crazies on the Remain side too but generally speaking, it is the sane position no matter how you twist things.

That's not how I see it. I will criticize leave for not painting the full picture and being disingenuous at times but technically most of the things they said were true.

£350m is SENT to the EU every week. They should have mentioned the net figure I agree but pedantically speaking that statement is true and not "a lie".

I've also seen remain knock down plenty of strawmen and tell lies themselves.

Hugest_UK · 23 Jun 2016 at 19:59

Zethor said:
This type of relativism mixed with whataboutery is getting really, really old. No, both sides were not as bad as each other.

One side is fueled by nativism/xenophobia or traditionalism/empire melancholia, little to no facts, proven to be wrong statistics, little/no expert support and backed by a few fringe politicians. The other is fueled by risk aversion, much more accurate statistics, overwhelming expert support and it is backed by the whole bloody world.

Yes you can nitpick and find crazies on the Remain side too but generally speaking, it is the sane position no matter how you twist things.

Agreed!