Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)
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Turkey are a key ally in the war against ISIS. Strengthening our bond with Turkey would stop them from growing closer ties to Russia or, worse, Islamic fundamentalists.
However, there's significant hurdles to Turkey joining the EU; both political and financial. Their record on human rights is poor, the Kurdish conflict needs resolving and free speech is being oppressed. Unfortunately, it looks like they're growing further apart from the rest of Europe rather than closer. I can't see them joining in next 25 years whether we want them to join or not.
Right well good thing "ol Nige" is here to "comprehensively defeat" a debate of economists isn't it. Maybe it's the beer he drinks, foresight to the future.
Oh my. What a short memory you have!
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Did you actually watch it? There are some significant points in that article and they are all valid. Do you seriously expect the rest of the EU to sit quietly and play nice if Britain leaves, thereby threatening the cohesion of the entire union? It's not going to happen, they will be anything but nice, they will probably make an example of Britain and rightfully so. You can't have your cake and eat it.
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Load of rubbish
WE Hold the Trump cards and the EU knows it no matter what they bluster about.
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Apparently (Ukip) Party Political Broadcast released today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnrFddSJWsk
What trump cards? Britain can't negotiate a deal while it is in the EU, do you think it will get better deals from the outside? Use your head beyond Ukip propaganda!
Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians etc. are they main reason why you people want out. Do you honestly think they won't use their veto with every opportunity while negotiating any deals after the exit? How daft can you be?
Dispute it then? What's more likely to be rubbish, an opinion with solid arguments or an empty one liner?
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Why would they be angry with us? They'd get to retain more of the workers they spent money on schooling. They'd be paying tax to their own governments instead of ours...you know all the reasons we need them in infinite numbers as the Guardian keep telling us.
Eastern Europeans are not wanted in Britain, Britain leaves the EU but Britain's companies want to do business in the EU. In order for the latter to be possible, Britain needs a trade deal with the EU. Eastern Europeans have vetos and if they are not used, the politicians will have to explain to their constituencies why their votes benefit a country in which they are not wanted.
If we tell millions of people "We don't want you, stay out." what the bloody hell do you think they will tell us when we sit at the negotiating table??
It's precisely because we're in the EU that we have no power now - we've given it away in treaty changes to effect ever closer union. Oh and it really is disingenuous of you to try and poison the well by implying Leave voters don't like Eastern Europeans. If I had to give one single reason why people want to leave it'd be that people want British Parliament to govern Britain, not Brusssels.
It doesn't actually. Do we have a trade deal with the US? No, and we do business perfectly fine without one and many on the left are resisting the proposed trade deal. Some of our financial services industry need passporting of services into the EU and this can be included as part of a trade deal.
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Disagree - we are a world power... so start thinking like a world power instead of a weak link in a broken chain.
We could choose who we deal with and why rather than being told. We've forgotten what it's like to be a powerful country.
We're dealing on a world stage with China/US etc, without Europe we are likely to be fundamentally weaker in trade negotiations and no amount of flag waving will help that IMHO.
BREXIT is just full of uncertainty that couldn't come at a much worse time.
Almost half of the UK's exports go to the EU, you are deluded if you believe they won't be affected by import/customs duty.
As for the general effects on the economy, it will probably be a huge shock.
Withdrawing from the EU is a dangerous move for the UK. Using the Costinot and RodriguezClare (2013) methodology, we generate counterfactual scenarios and show that UK future losses due to this move can sum up to 1.23% of the GDP in real terms in our optimistic scenario, and to a drop of 3.09% in our pessimistic one. When we factor in more realistic dynamic losses from lower productivity growth, a conservative estimate would double losses to 2.2% of GDP even in the most optimistic case. In the pessimistic case, there would be income falls of 6.3% to 9.5% of GDP, a loss of a similar size to that resulting from the global financial crisis of 2008/09.
http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/pa016_tech.pdf
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Sounds good, let's leave now. Thank god life isn't all about money, which only the top 1% see anyway.
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Firstly it's not saying "we don't you", it's saying "you are welcome provided you meet certain criteria". Do you lock your door when you go out? Does that mean you never want a visitor? No.
We trade with the rest of the world under the same conditions and they don't impose "cutting your nose off to spite your face" trade restrictions on us just because we won't allow their citizens and open-door immigration policy.
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