In the event of a Brexit, not kicking out EU citizens in the UK, in exchange for not kicking out UK citizens in the EU, and moving onto a visa scheme for all future migration, is the only real rational decision.
Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)
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In the event of a Brexit, not kicking out EU citizens in the UK, in exchange for not kicking out UK citizens in the EU, and moving onto a visa scheme for all future migration, is the only real rational decision.
Well, yes it will.
This is part of the problem campaigning for the status quo. It's always seen as negative, because you're resistant to change, but the fact is we don't know what would happen in the event of a British exit.
So it won't be done. Since when had international politics been rational?
Hmm, I expect that we'll actually end up agreeing to freedom of movement in order to get free access to the EU markets if we leave.
But if that doesn't happen I would expect a fair amount of grandfathering in, as you say. I do wonder what will happen to people who live in either the EU (for UK citizens) or the UK (for non-UK EU citizens) and don't have a job though.
The status quo isn't an option, if we vote to remain in the EU then we are accepting 'ever-closer union' (despite what Cameron's deal says, those words are staying). IMO that's going to mean an EU Army and border force, the transfer of even more powers from Westminster to Brussels, EU imposed regulation on the City of London, and many other things with potentially severe consequences for this country.
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If we do stay in, it won't be long before there's another row over policy or new stupid EU laws that our magic red card fails to stop and everyone will be saying how we made a mistake staying in. Will be a vicious circle.
It'll be too late by then though, remember Cameron promised the referendum "to settle this issue once and for all" and I reckon that's a promise he actually intends to keep.
Status quo is an option, just not a very good one. And your opinion is very much a worst case scenario doomsday vision though, and far too negative, in my opinion.
I don't forsee any of those things coming to pass, even if we're unable to renegotiate our position.
Just like Scottish referendum died a quiet death when the nationalists didn't get the result they wanted? Cameron can want to do a lot of things, it won't stop people talking.
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If there's so many blinkered people that we vote to stay in, it'll give the EU a free pass to systematically rape the UK economically and socially, we'll become the dumping ground for EU ***********
To be frank i would quit being interested in politics as everyone will get what they deserve
The EU Army and Border Force is a certainty imo - our President, Jean-Claude Juncker has basically said so. Agree I was doing a bit of scare-mongering there, if the Remain side can do it then so can I
Are they having another referendum? The SNP can moan all they like but I for one don't expect to see another referendum on Scottish Independence in my lifetime. They had their chance, they said no, and now the oil price has collapsed.
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It's not going to die a death though is it? There will be enough people wanting to carry on voting until they get the vote they want for it to stay in the conciousness for a long time. Will there be another referendum? No idea. It wouldn't surprise me though.
Can you fit any more hyperbolic whining in that post?
And yet, it would hard for them to do a worse job than our own native governments.
Like retiring our aircraft carriers before we had built replacements, and then when they come online having no planes to put on them.
Good old Great Britain showing the world how truly useless our own governments are.
Why would anyone want to trust them with full control over this country? We'll be the laughing stock of the world in no time at all.
The Tories would like to take us back to the Victorian age, getting rid of min wage and worker's rights along the way, whilst Labour would likely sink us with their sheer incompetence.
Next to either of those, the EU doesn't look bad. Relatively speaking.
It will as Scotland grows used to a world with low-barrel prices. There's a strong correlation between support for Scottish independence and the oil price - in fact the SNP only started up when North Sea oil was discovered.
And yet, it would hard for them to do a worse job than our own native governments.
Like retiring our aircraft carriers before we had built replacements, and then when they come online having no planes to put on them.
Good old Great Britain showing the world how truly useless our own governments are.
Why would anyone want to trust them with full control over this country? We'll be the laughing stock of the world in no time at all.
The Tories would like to take us back to the Victorian age, getting rid of min wage and worker's rights along the way, whilst Labour would likely sink us with their sheer incompetence.
Next to either of those, the EU doesn't look bad. Relatively speaking.
I'm not going to dispute that our recent governments have been utterly feeble, however have you ever heard the expression 'better the devil you know'? What do any of us really know of the voting blocs in the European Parliament, or who the European Commissioners are, why they got the job and what they stand for?
The EU's response to the migrant crisis doesn't really give me confidence that they're a capable government.
And yet, it would hard for them to do a worse job than our own native governments.
Like retiring our aircraft carriers before we had built replacements, and then when they come online having no planes to put on them.
Good old Great Britain showing the world how truly useless our own governments are.
Why would anyone want to trust them with full control over this country? We'll be the laughing stock of the world in no time at all.
The Tories would like to take us back to the Victorian age, getting rid of min wage and worker's rights along the way, whilst Labour would likely sink us with their sheer incompetence.
Next to either of those, the EU doesn't look bad. Relatively speaking.
Which just goes to show how far ahead our government and how deep in cahoots with the EU is.
It's all part of the EU Masterplan.
Run down our own defence so we're dependent on the EU and then generate an EU crisis where we "need an EU force".
So obvious.
Governments have "Think-Tanks" constantly working out scenarios. they have the data and are pretty damned sure the way the masses will react which is probably collected from mind numbing games like Candy Crush etc !
Those all sound like good things. What's the problem? I don't see any problem with either an EU border force or an EU army; moving powers to the EU parliament is a necessary part of ensuring the EU is democratically accountable; and the City of London needs better oversight and regulation to prevent it trashing the UK economy more. So where's the problem?
Just as long as people voting to Remain understand that's what they're voting for and not the status quo.
The problem with EU oversight and regulation of the City of London is that they can then (and probably will) start to make Frankfurt the European hub for the financial services industry.
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