Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

[robgmun]

Whereas your posts are the voice of reason .

Sorry i forgot to add you to the list

What a moronic thing to say and shows how small minded you are. I'm white english and go into plenty of polish shops, why wouldn't I?

How is it moronic? I have an 'International Shop' down the road from me, all it seem to have is cheap rotting vegetables and overpriced items that you just wouldn't know what hygiene standards they adhere to when they were made.

We have a Sainsbury's, M&S and a Waitrose in the same area and i know i would get quality food from those places, i think you and Mr Jack severely overestimate the 'Cultural Benefits' that immigration brings, i.e practically zero for me

And one last point, like the stupid point some make about immigrants working in the NHS. If we leave the EU were not going to suddenly deport millions of people from the UK. When you wake up the next morning, your foreign doctors and Nurses will still be there and not suddenly disappear. Your 'International Shops' will still be there, That Indian, Kebab and Chinese takeaway will still be there. (BTW Mr Jack, Pizza is not here due to immigration, PizzaHut and Domino's will still be around)

 

[Freakbro]

We have a Sainsbury's, M&S and a Waitrose in the same area and i know i would get quality food from those places, i think you and Mr Jack severely overestimate the 'Cultural Benefits' that immigration brings, i.e practically zero for me

My friend is a manager in a food processing company (meat products) that supplies Sainsburys and Waitrose etc (and the other not so 'posh' ones ) and all his staff are Polish/Eastern European so just because you aren't aware of the benefits they bring you doesn't mean it's not there...(Cheaper food , just in case you don't get the inference)

Also, just because it's Waitrose you do know it all comes from the same factory as every other supermarket, it's just a different label, you have been totally suckered in by the marketing that it is 'better quality food'....and if you looked behind the scenes of any mass produced food, you probably wouldn't eat again

 

[Tefal]

How is it moronic? I have an 'International Shop' down the road from me, all it seem to have is cheap rotting vegetables and overpriced items that you just wouldn't know what hygiene standards they adhere to when they were made.

Oh come on, i know its cool to be a snob but ASDA isn't that bad.

 

[platypus]

Because the deli's usually incredibly good and the freshly baked goods are immense?

It's not just tins.

Kabanos......mmmmmmmmmmmm .

 

[John40]

My friend is a manager in a food processing company (meat products) that supplies Sainsburys and Waitrose etc (and the other not so 'posh' ones ) and all his staff are Polish/Eastern European so just because you aren't aware of the benefits they bring you doesn't mean it's not there...(Cheaper food , just in case you don't get the inference)

What benefits do we get by a meat factory only employing migrants as unless they're paying below the minimum wage migrant labour is irrelevant.

Do you think before Blair flung open the gates everybody here starved, nobody worked in meat factories ?

To infer migrant labour in a meat factory makes the meat cheaper is ridiculous and utterly wrong.

 

[Tefal]

What benefits do we get by a meat factory only employing migrants as unless they're paying below the minimum wage migrant labour is irrelevant.

Do you think before Blair flung open the gates everybody here starved, nobody worked in meat factories ?

To infer migrant labour in a meat factory makes the meat cheaper is ridiculous and utterly wrong.

If you ever watch any of those tv shows where they follow imigration/border officers and police in nearly every episode they raid at least one meat/chicken factory full of migrant workers living in dorms for less than minimum wage.

 

[scorza]

My friend is a manager in a food processing company (meat products) that supplies Sainsburys and Waitrose etc (and the other not so 'posh' ones ) and all his staff are Polish/Eastern European so just because you aren't aware of the benefits they bring you doesn't mean it's not there...(Cheaper food , just in case you don't get the inference)

Also, just because it's Waitrose you do know it all comes from the same factory as every other supermarket, it's just a different label, you have been totally suckered in by the marketing that it is 'better quality food'....and if you looked behind the scenes of any mass produced food, you probably wouldn't eat again

But why would any of that change if we left the EU? If we need unskilled/semi-skilled workers to work in meat factories then we'll get some. To imply that factories will close down from a lack of workers if we left the EU is massively disingenuous.

 

[robgmun]

What benefits do we get by a meat factory only employing migrants as unless they're paying below the minimum wage migrant labour is irrelevant.

Do you think before Blair flung open the gates everybody here starved, nobody worked in meat factories ?

To infer migrant labour in a meat factory makes the meat cheaper is ridiculous and utterly wrong.

Thanks, you and scorza kinda beat to it, i was about to say the exact same thing because....

If you ever watch any of those tv shows where they follow imigration/border officers and police in nearly every episode they raid at least one meat/chicken factory full of migrant workers living in dorms for less than minimum wage.

it means that Freakbro supports the abuse and exploitation of cheap migrate labour, who'd thunk it

Oh come on, i know its cool to be a snob but ASDA isn't that bad.

 

[robgmun]

But why would any of that change if we left the EU? If we need unskilled/semi-skilled workers to work in meat factories then we'll get some. To imply that factories will close down from a lack of workers if we left the EU is massively disingenuous.

Indeed, it's the whole NHS argument, we're not suddenly deport everyone should we leave, in fact in a points based immigration system they'd pretty much be a priority when applying!

 

[Tefal]

it means that Freakbro supports the abuse and exploitation of cheap migrate labour, who'd thunk it

This is a problem even though they have the legal right to live and work here, we all know how expensive living and working legally here can be.

And with the disparity in incomes between our countries it still makes sense to come here and work illegally/sub minimum wage and send money home.

If freedom of movement had just been the countries of simmialr economies, france, germany, nordic states, itally, spain, switzerland holland etc then it would have been a lretty good idea.

 

[robgmun]

Also, just because it's Waitrose you do know it all comes from the same factory as every other supermarket, it's just a different label, you have been totally suckered in by the marketing that it is 'better quality food'....and if you looked behind the scenes of any mass produced food, you probably wouldn't eat again

Oh and this is completely wrong by the way, you 'friend' is BS'ing you. After a well publicised investigation last year (google it, it was in every paper) it turns out that Waitrose and M&S get chicken supplies from very different sources to the other main supermarkets.

ie. all chicken from Sainsbury's and Tesco's are halal, Waitrose and M&S are not, non-halal chicken is much better quality and you can taste the difference in my opinion, with Sainsbury's chicken being the worst followed by Tesco, never tried ASDA but from what i hear it's pretty much cardboard.

 

[Freakbro]

To infer migrant labour in a meat factory makes the meat cheaper is ridiculous and utterly wrong.

That's fine because your assumption trumps my knowledge of the industry of 20+ years....

To imply that factories will close down from a lack of workers if we left the EU is massively disingenuous.

Err, where did I say factories would close down? they would just have to pay more for staff and thus the price of the product would increase.

Thanks, you and scorza kinda beat to it, i was about to say the exact same thing because....

Then you would have been just as wrong, but there's no surprise there

it means that Freakbro supports the abuse and exploitation of cheap migrate labour, who'd thunk it

Lol, you do know just because you think something it doesn't make it true, right?

The reason why they employ Eastern European staff is 'because' they will work that hard, in those conditions (it's not pleasant) for minimum wage, whereas the years and years of experience has taught the people who run the factories that English staff wont.

Nothing to do with abuse or illegal employment practices

 

[Freakbro]

Oh and this is completely wrong by the way, you 'friend' is BS'ing you.

Err, no he isn't....

After a well publicised investigation last year (google it, it was in every paper) it turns out that Waitrose and M&S get chicken supplies from very different sources to the other main supermarkets.

Ahh, you've read an article in the paper so you know it all, gotcha. You do realise there is more meat than chicken, right?

What he does is quite a specialised market, with not that many suppliers, and because of that they supply across the EU as well.

 

[phil675]

If freedom of movement had just been the countries of simmialr economies, france, germany, nordic states, itally, spain, switzerland holland etc then it would have been a lretty good idea.

And to think they want to fast track Turkey in, a big middle finger to the working class of Europe.

 

[robgmun]

Lol, you do know just because you think something it doesn't make it true, right?

The reason why they employ Eastern European staff is 'because' they will work that hard, in those conditions (it's not pleasant) for minimum wage, whereas the years and years of experience has taught the people who run the factories that English staff wont.

Nothing to do with abuse or illegal employment practices

LOL all you want, the reason abuse or illegal employment practices is rife is because it employs migrants because they're desperate. And factories love employing migrants because it's cheap labour because they know they're desperate. It's all very shady.

 

[robgmun]

Ahh, you've read an article in the paper so you know it all, gotcha. You do realise there is more meat than chicken, right?

What he does is quite a specialised market, with not that many suppliers, and because of that they supply across the EU as well.

I only eat Pork and Chicken, so that what matters to me. I prefer to buy my pork from the local butchers and farms as they taste 100 times better than supermarket pork .NEVER buy Danish by the way, the way they treat pigs is shameful, British pork is mostly free range as standard. And as for Boar *drool*

*shakes head* Anyway back on topic, for chicken it's important to me that it's non-halal, not just on principle but because it tastes so much better, i like to buy cornfed and free range and not battery.

As you can tell i take my meat very seriously

 

[Freakbro]

LOL all you want, the reason abuse or illegal employment practices is rife is because it employs migrants because they're desperate. And factories love employing migrants because it's cheap labour because they know they're desperate. It's all very shady.

You have no idea what your talking about, but that's not unusual, so yes I will LOL at your postings

The polish around here aren't 'desperate' (just hyperbole in your postings) - they are just used to hard work and are happy to come over here to do it and get paid loads more (even on min wage) than back at home.

There are, and still is, very shady employment practices that go on and that is mostly down to the gangers. Rules have been tightened up in that respect but as usual laws are circumvented and it still does go on. But that's mainly for field/piece work. The factories I know of around here (inc my friends) directly employ their workers and have had the same Polish ones for years now.

 

[scorza]

Err, where did I say factories would close down? they would just have to pay more for staff and thus the price of the product would increase.

Well why are you discussing it in a thread about the EU referendum?

Oh great, it's the myth of cost-plus pricing again. Did the price of meat go down when all the meat factories started employing EU immigrants on low wages?

 

[Tefal]

I only eat Pork and Chicken, so that what matters to me. I prefer to buy my pork from the local butchers and farms as they taste 100 times better than supermarket pork .NEVER buy Danish by the way, the way they treat pigs is shameful, British pork is mostly free range as standard. And as for Boar *drool*

*shakes head* Anyway back on topic, for chicken it's important to me that it's non-halal, not just on principle but because it tastes so much better, i like to buy cornfed and free range and not battery.

As you can tell i take my meat very seriously

Why not beef if you dont mind me asking?


Speaking of local farms there's one near me that raises boars in the woods (ive bumped into them once when trying to take a short cut when out walking/climing) and a local butcher sells their sauages sooo much flavour in them.

But its all saudages and geound meat i quite fancy trying a real joint of boar. Mighr have to ask the farm directly next time in uo that way.

Or is there a reason we dont eat boar joints?

 

[John40]

Well why are you discussing it in a thread about the EU referendum?

Oh great, it's the myth of cost-plus pricing again. Did the price of meat go down when all the meat factories started employing EU immigrants on low wages?

If you take it as gospel that migrants always work hard and English are all bone idle then the extra revenue the meat factory makes doesn't make the meat cheaper it just makes the firm more money.

The myth that closed shop migrant only factories make the produce cheaper is simply a myth used to rubbish the English.