Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?


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In my own personal experience here at work, I find that the people voting for remain are doing so for reasons that are very personal to them ie: they have a 2nd home in Paris, or they have a relative who is a farmer and they get a half decent subsidy.

People voting out seem to be doing so for less selfish reasons. For one, I am voting out regardless of the fact my company is owned by a French multi-national. Even if it was a certainty I'd lose my job I would still be voting out. Cameron has failed to secure the deal he promised and so it is time for us to leave.
 
In my own personal experience here at work, I find that the people voting for remain are doing so for reasons that are very personal to them ie: they have a 2nd home in Paris, or they have a relative who is a farmer and they get a half decent subsidy.

People voting out seem to be doing so for less selfish reasons. For one, I am voting out regardless of the fact my company is owned by a French multi-national. Even if it was a certainty I'd lose my job I would still be voting out. Cameron has failed to secure the deal he promised and so it is time for us to leave.

Our company is also owned by a German giant but I'm voting out.
https://www.nagel-group.com/en/lokale_seiten/index.jsp
 
People voting out seem to be doing so for less selfish reasons.

There are selfish and selfless arguments to be made for both leaving and remaining. But I fail to see how leaving at all costs, regardless of the consequences, and possibly costing others their jobs and quality of life in the process is less selfish, sorry. Presumably you don't give a hoot if your company relocates operations, or the farmers go under? :\

The Leave case in this thread alone has been overwhelmingly emotional, based on personal preference and gut opinion, straying into xenophobia-lite and cultural exceptionalism territory on occasion; the very definitions of selfishness and blinkered thinking. Heck, some chap's wife even got dragged in on a tangent!

You've got your free speech, but deary me -- to gamble the country's future on a feeling in one's waters is ludicrous!
 
In my own personal experience here at work, I find that the people voting for remain are doing so for reasons that are very personal to them ie: they have a 2nd home in Paris, or they have a relative who is a farmer and they get a half decent subsidy.

People voting out seem to be doing so for less selfish reasons. For one, I am voting out regardless of the fact my company is owned by a French multi-national. Even if it was a certainty I'd lose my job I would still be voting out. Cameron has failed to secure the deal he promised and so it is time for us to leave.

Ah right. If you want to leave the EU you're magnanimous, if you want to remain in the EU, you're selfish.

Absolutely retarded, even for GD.
 
Ah right. If you want to leave the EU you're magnanimous, if you want to remain in the EU, you're selfish.

Absolutely retarded, even for GD.

Platypus, tell me your secret for sticking with this lot for so long. Is there any hope for them at all? Any light at the end of the dim, smoke-filled tunnel?!:p

The only thing I can't quite go with is coconut milk porridge. It's a weird consistency!

It must be tried -- YOLO!
 
Ah right. If you want to leave the EU you're magnanimous, if you want to remain in the EU, you're selfish.

Absolutely retarded, even for GD.

In my personal experience people who want to stay are doing so because they have a vested interest in something. Don't get mad little man.

e2a. You are a staunch remain voter it seems. Your location ... What is your vested interest?
 
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In my personal experience people who want to stay are doing so because they have a vested interest in something. Don't get mad little man.

Your cute anecdotal story which is not representative of anywhere near the whole leads you to pretend (or think) disingenuously that you're being magnanimous, "despite" working for a French company (how open minded and multi-cultural of you), when you're not. The "logic" by which you draw your conclusion is retarded. Little man.
 
Your cute anecdotal story which is not representative of anywhere near the whole leads you to pretend (or think) disingenuously that you're being magnanimous, "despite" working for a French company (how open minded and multi-cultural of you), when you're not. The "logic" by which you draw your conclusion is retarded. Little man.

Ha! Are you for real? Implying I am a racist because I want to vote out of the EU?!

The 'despite' is that I would vote out regardless of what impact that outcome may have on me, that I am not only thinking of my own vested interests. For instance, staunchly being pro-EU purely because you have a business based somewhere in Europe or because someone someone something gives me an EU grant!

Is that too much for you to get your head around?
 
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Platypus, tell me your secret for sticking with this lot for so long. Is there any hope for them at all? Any light at the end of the dim, smoke-filled tunnel?!:p
Obstinance? I don't know really. There isn't much point I guess trying to debate with some of the people in here.

I'm waiting for a software build and have some time to kill?

In my personal experience people who want to stay are doing so because they have a vested interest in something. Don't get mad little man.

e2a. You are a staunch remain voter it seems. Your location ... What is your vested interest?
Staunch is incorrect.

Whether the UK leaves the EU or remains has no impact at all on my location. Next?
 
Just curious - what's to stop the EU passing the changes Cameron's asked for, us voting to stay in and then have them vote to change things back to how they were before the referendum?
 
Just curious - what's to stop the EU passing the changes Cameron's asked for, us voting to stay in and then have them vote to change things back to how they were before the referendum?

I guess in theory if we could get 55% of member states to side with us we could veto that legislation. I can't seem them bothering to do that tbh, the agreement DC secured is so light weight it's hardly worth the time trying to get rid of it.
 
Almond milk, rice milk, coconut milk. All delicious and loads better for you than bovine :).

Almond milk is ok, can't stand coconut milk and my favorite is still Alpro Soya sweetened. I think it actually tastes better than real milk. Same goes for Soya Ice-cream, smoother :p:D
 
Just curious - what's to stop the EU passing the changes Cameron's asked for, us voting to stay in and then have them vote to change things back to how they were before the referendum?

Cameron's red card system, but that requires a majority of states to agree. So basically nothing.
 
Ah right. If you want to leave the EU you're magnanimous, if you want to remain in the EU, you're selfish.

Absolutely retarded, even for GD.

Wow, reading post fail, do you skim read threads here? You seem to get the wrong end of the stick very often :rolleyes:

Your cute anecdotal story which is not representative of anywhere near the whole leads you to pretend (or think) disingenuously that you're being magnanimous, "despite" working for a French company (how open minded and multi-cultural of you), when you're not. The "logic" by which you draw your conclusion is retarded. Little man.

And now you're resorting to abusing someone for not having the same opinion as you, you're having a cracking day. For what it's worth i've reported you, i think it's time to step away for a while
 
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Cameron's red card system, but that requires a majority of states to agree. So basically nothing.

I guess in theory if we could get 55% of member states to side with us we could veto that legislation. I can't seem them bothering to do that tbh, the agreement DC secured is so light weight it's hardly worth the time trying to get rid of it.

I thought so.

I'm out.

(not that the changes we've asked for will make the blindest bit of difference anyway!)
 
b0redj0rd, also seems to believe that family and property are trivial matters. These are valid concerns! And it's not beyond most people to think of other families in a similar situation to theirs, so that selfishness clause flies out of the window pretty quickly. People aren't selfish all of the time just because their interests may be inwardly aligned some of the time on a matter as complex and multifaceted as the EU.

Ha! Are you for real? Implying I am a racist because I want to vote out of the EU?!

Who brought up multiculturalism again?

Not this again. :o

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Just curious - what's to stop the EU passing the changes Cameron's asked for, us voting to stay in and then have them vote to change things back to how they were before the referendum?

We veto, send better representatives to stand for our interests in Europe and actually start building up our old alliances instead of flapping about like headless chickens. Yes, this may mean stopping voting for useless protest parties who may say what you like to hear, but don't actually achieve much with their stunts in the European parliament.

Ireland, Portugal, France, Holland, Germany, Nordic States...we do have friends in the bloc behind the media drama, who share a lot of our concerns about the future and present of the bloc and trade area in general!

Yes, building consensus majorities is a must, sure, but that's democracy, or would you like less of it?

The idea is that nobody, however powerful, gets their way all of the time by unilateral diktat -- not Germany, not France, not Britain -- that's the whole point of federations: power is distributed with appropriate checks and balances for everyone's' benefit!

In short: reform and diplomacy; don't quit on a wild gamble! :)
 
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ta-exposes-limits-of-camerons-emergency-brake

ROFL, Cameron's 'emergency brake' will only affect 84,000 migrants out of 2,225,000 migrants from EU countries. Even the pro-EU lobby aren't defending this.

One thing I've noticed is that the pro-EU lobby aren't very self-confident - most of their arguments involve diminishing the UK somehow e.g. little Britain won't have a chance negotiating against the big boys from Brussels. We're the world's fifth largest economy for crying out lound, our own economy is 20% of the size of the other EU 27 nations put together. Sometimes however their arguments border on sinister, actually implying that Britain is a force for evil and we must be run from Brussels for the good of the rest of the world. I reject that notion utterly.
 
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