Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)
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I say you quoted Platypus and then for some reason put my name in your reply...
And I'm not really going to bet on something I haven't said is going to happen!
I say you quoted Platypus and then for some reason put my name in your reply...
And I'm not really going to bet on something I haven't said is going to happen!
Haha, yes sorry about that! I just realised
But to be fair you lot all sound the same 
I've corrected it now
Soldato
Why not? I don't get this way of thinking that everyone should have their own place with minimal effort.
I house shared in my 20s (even with my ex) with 3/4 other people for 4-5 years. Yes it got messy and there were arguments at times but overall it was great and it allowed me to save 30% + deposit on a big 2 bed flat in a nice(ish) part of town. I now live on my own and if I really want to I could be mortgage free before I'm 40.
And most of those people I house shared back in the day are in the same position. Think only 2 of my old housemates don't own their own place yet.
Caporegime
Sharing a house is one thing - did each person or couple have their own bedroom? We're talking about 7 or 8 people sharing a two bedroom flat here. I'd hate to live like that and I suspect the only reason why people tolerate is that they know it's temporary and they can return to their own country at any time.
If there's a shortage of people to do a low paid job, guess what happens to the price of said low paid job?
Also immigrants taking jobs no one else wants to do is lefty forehead slapping drivel. The reason the job is unattractive is because over supply of cheap labour has forced the price through the floor.
Actually the movement of "people as commodities", to meet economic demand, could be seen as quite right wing thinking.
Soldato
Like I said before. If your unemployed and refuse to do a low paid job, you lose your JSA. So the jobs should be filled anyway.
Correction, Capitalist thinking, not quite the same thing.
China is communist but increasingly Capitalist, for example
Caporegime
This is not supported by any empirical evidence. The impact of immigration on wages has been extremely small. The fall in the quality of pay and conditions for these jobs began while immigration was low and is driven by other factors. The major ones being the collapse of union power and the increasing drive to outsource such work so that these workers are no longer seen as co-workers to their high paid and more influential colleagues. This restructuring has also removed the upward pathways for low paid workers, changing what were entry level jobs into lifelong careers.
Caporegime
I think it's just pragmatic - arguing in favour of "people as commodities" is imo right-wing thinking, which is why it's so bizarre that so many people who regard themselves as lefties are in favour of it, I mean take Corbyn's Labour Party as example.
So again, no actual solution, just a proposition. Ok it's one idea. One that might or might not work.
I merely posited it as one possible solution. It's really not a large leap to see that once their obligations to the UK under Dublin are ended, France will move the border. What happens after that is anybodies guess. But if you think France are going to make an effort to stop the immigrants coming here you're mistaken. And if you think that all it's going to take is a simple increase in funding to the border force than you're naieve as well.
There's that word again. You're not clever, and you're not funny; use proper English.
Edit: I don't actually care about your personal situation so its not relevant.
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Soldato
Please can we get out of the **** heap. I will joyfully watch it collapse, Merkel has really lost the plot both in the EU and Germany.
Of course if its a solution, just not one that's been implemented yet because we're not out of the EU. Once we are then we can go ahead and implement it. A solution is a solution whether or not it's in effect right now. Is english not your first language or something?France cannot move it's border to another country it has no control over, so no, it's not even remotely possible it's going to happen. Frances border stops at there end of their english channel and ours start on our end. We just need a border force to have the balls to turn back anyone trying to get into the country.
New words are created all the time and entered in to the Oxford dictionary. It's an apt word that is now part of the lexicon and it describes them perfectly.
My parents came into this country as skilled workers, i'm a skilled worker, my fiance is a skilled worker, we've all would have passed the most thorough points based immigration system. I wouldn't mind at all more immigration like me and my family. I want opportunity for people who wants to come here who are skilled, benefit the country greatly and contribute. Why would i want to let in unskilled trash that have issues with behaving like human beings? we're not the garbage bin of the world no matter what. Just because they want to come here doesn't give them automatic right be here regardless of who they are
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Yes ok I'll give you that one, though I meant to say it's not a proven solution, which I felt was fairly obvious anyway but I'll be more specific in future.
So UKIPs proposed solution of (doubling?) increasing the border force will magically solve the problem of immigrants. I can't find any sort of data on by how much, perhaps you know how many extra border officers will be required (and provided by UKIP) to hit that magic number that will suddenly be able to cope with immigration? When I asked what you thought would happen I thought you'd have the whit to include some sort of time frame, but obviously that was a leap to far. How long do you think the situation will be brought under control, should the UK leave the EU. And more to the point, how do you think this is going to happen, given that it's highly unlikely - not impossible I'll grant - that UKIP will get into power? Do you forsee a UKIP push forcing other parties to adopt - in their manifesto perhaps - a points based immigration policy? There doesn't appear to be much appetite for it, other than in various scavenges to try and beat down UKIP when they were doing so well.
It wouldn't actually need to move the border, just the border checks from France side to UK side. If that happens, and there is every reason to expect them to do so, once they stop bothering to check immigrants exiting France, where do you think those checks will fall?
It's a pathetic cheap shot, so perfectly apt that you use it.
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In practice, all you have to do is attend the interview, and refuse to opt out of the Working Time Directive, or to be on call 24/7. Bingo, you won't get the job - a Pole will take it instead. But you won't lose your JSA so long as you apply.
Naturally you can't sanction someone for being unsuccessful. You can't compete against these Polish (etc) workers who seem to think UK min wage is a fortune; they'll bend over backwards to get the job.
Even if you discount pay entirely, the conditions attached to these jobs (such as being on call every day; on zero hour contracts for life), can be as brutal as the employer likes, because Poles will take these jobs - they will fight over them.
Influx of cheap labour = race to the bottom; rampant exploitation. When has it ever been different? The only solution is regulation, which the current government are very reluctant to increase.
The only people actively seeking to further regulate working conditions are the EU.
Wow, Kudos to Turkey!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...illions-EU-declaring-not-idiot-foreheads.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...illions-EU-declaring-not-idiot-foreheads.html
Turkey has taken in at least 2.2 million refugees. It's costing them billions a year and they're not getting the help they need from the international community. I'm not surprised that they're angry.
And people here moan about taking in a few thousand.
And people here moan about taking in a few thousand.
Caporegime
As is their obligation according to the Geneva Convention. The alone is giving £1.2bn to support refugees from Syria, including support to Turkey. Besides, I thought Turkey was now in receipt of $billions from the EU to support refugees locally?
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