It's hardly a done deal just because the Daily Mail says so.
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It's hardly a done deal just because the Daily Mail says so.
Caporegime
This is one of the main problems with Cameron's renegotiations being part of the Remain Campaign; many of the people who will vote to Remain in would much rather that we didn't have Cameron's silly reforms thank you very much.
This isn't the first time the Tory's have shown a willingness to screw the British people over to meet their arbitrary goals. Theresa May has made it so that if you're a British citizen who has lived in the UK all your life you have less rights to have your family live with you than if you're a Frenchman who's only just come here. Slow clap, Theresa.
But there aren't huge gangs stealing wallets?
TBH racking my brain I may have seen about one in the four years I was around that area. You're an idiot if you do the game, nothing necessarily wrong though.
That said, as you point out its not the sort of immigration we want, but if the grand total of Eastern European immigration is a couple of three cup gamers on bridges, I can deal with that. On the other hand the Romany gypsy problem (living in the parks) that was about for a while was an issue. Whether that has gone again I don't know.
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Just got this throught my door, the amount of scaremongering in it is embarrassing, if this was for leaving the EU it wouldn't be allowed
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It seems that those who believe that Europeans can't work together for the common good, can't work together for the common good.
It hasn't even began to get bad.
Caporegime
Sums up my feelings too. I came to the conclusion a few years ago (when Jean-Claude Juncker was confirmed as EU President despite no-one wanting him) that the EU is an organisation incapable or reforming itself, so want out now.
Soldato
Sums up my feelings on the matter, I do think the European Economic Community (EEC) was a good idea I'm just not convinced by the European Community (EC) that is seems to have morphed into without the people having any say! If radical overhaul was an option I would certainly tick it, too many Brussels autocrats are getting rich at my expense.
Soldato
Where are you planning on moving to?
Soldato
Certainly an overhaul would preferential to leaving. It would have to be quite radical such as excluding countries which fall very short from the economic requirements from entry (as was originally intended). With a much smaller set of countries with similar and strong economic power, it is easier to cater to the needs to the individual countries as there is not just less of them to cater to but their needs would be similar.
I'm also in agreement with this and the comments. Yet I will still find it very difficult to put a cross in the 'out' box.
Caporegime
An overhaul isn't on offer though - Cameron's gone and asked for very little, and it looks like they won't even give him that!
In view of what the EU has become and what it will no doubt continue to keep becoming, having a "completely reform the EU" would be a complete waste of time IMO as it would never happen or get done.
I agree, the EEC was and is a good idea but the EU has moved on a long way from that.
No conflict for me.
Got my first bit of Pro-EU propaganda through the door and it seems to be quite focused on UKIP bashing? A bit petty considering that politicians from many different parties are supporting the leave campaign!
Negative campaigning runs the risk of backfiring IMO.
Negative campaigning runs the risk of backfiring IMO.
So the only pro EU argument they have is its not UKIP?
Hmmmm, best vote in then.
The pro EU arguments I've seen so far:
"1 in 10 jobs created by the EU."
The EU will still be there if we leave, and that figure isn't particularly exciting when you look at immigration stats for the last decade.
"Audis and BMW's will be more expensive"
Really? That implies that the euro will tank and fall through the floor or the EU will impose trade barriers on one of its biggest customers. Either way they are both reason to leave and sharpish.
"The EU brings £66 million a day investment to UK."
Not hugely exciting when you consider the government contribution, also the UK will still be a strong investment after.
"Human Rights."
We invented human rights, we'll be fine. If human rights becomes a political issue vote for the guys you like.
"Military power"
Nato.
"Free to live anywhere in Europe."
Not really, it's still a huge risk to move anywhere and it could be argued if you have to go through immigration checks you can be more confident your skills are suited to the economy you are going to.
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It's almost laughable if it wasn't such a serious thing.
Unfortunately, I feel the average person will be swung around by headlines such as these with out knowing the full facts/details.
It's already started and will only get worse in the build up to the vote.
Personally I feel that the EU is much more reliant upon us than we are on it. That said however, the other members are willing to "listen" to our demands and play the listening game and make false promises in order to lengthen the whole process in a move to give our government a glimmer of hope that things are moving towards the changes we'd like. At the end of the day, they just won't be happening.
Firstly, without the EU, the former Communist republics would be different shades of Ukraine. They are now democracies with tens of millions looking to buy the main thing that Britain sells: services. Britain has benefited tremendously from this highly lucrative market that simply does not exist if you step anywhere outside the border of the EU (or EFTA).
Secondly, while it's true EU migration has put some pressure on countries such as Britain, Germany or France, these migrants are needed in the big economies because if they weren't, Britain in example would not accept millions of Indians, Pakistani and Africans along with them. Unlike those 3 groups, EU migrants are more likely to be quickly assimilated, they usually speak English and they don't belong to vastly different cultures because their native cultures are heavily influenced by Western culture.
Finally, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The EU can do much more as a single entity than any of its members. As one of the big 3 in the EU, Britain is in a position where its voice matters. Outside the EU, it will be former empire who left the most ambitious political project mankind has ever undertaken because it didn't like the Poles who wore Nike tracksuits and made jokes in their own language.
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