I am free to go there, that's why I vote in, obviously like most UK males of my age I'm not free to do much that I want in terms of relocating to better countries because of family, friends and education.
Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote?
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I am free to go there, that's why I vote in, obviously like most UK males of my age I'm not free to do much that I want in terms of relocating to better countries because of family, friends and education.
I'm in no way an expert but surely there are some form of tax implications of trading into and out of the block? (I'm not certain of this I will freely admit) plus will there then be issues around multinationals moving employees into and out of the UK (which they can currently do pretty freely)
As I said I would like to see more information if/when it came to a vote but I would be very cautious of taking the implications lightly.
In time all Europeans will join as one i think, Even the slavs like Russia might one day join. For us we really are in a gold spot members of the EU (732m odd people) to trade and the bonus of sharing language with Australia, Canada, USA, New Zealand.
A hell of a lot of good consumer protection and roaming laws came recently which helps. Infact the only thing ****ing me off about the actual EU is the leadership at the very top, Waste and red tape and immigration into it. The only reason the Tories want us out is it makes it easier to prey on your average johnny who has way more rights and protection with the EU.
A hell of a lot of good consumer protection and roaming laws came recently which helps. Infact the only thing ****ing me off about the actual EU is the leadership at the very top, Waste and red tape and immigration into it. The only reason the Tories want us out is it makes it easier to prey on your average johnny who has way more rights and protection with the EU.
Holiday visas are very simple. Working/permanent visas a lot less so. Leaving the EU would give lawyers plenty of more work. I guess that's one positive?
No lawyers needed. We used to fill in the forms needed and they was sent off.
It was a great way of keeping tabs on who they\us was letting in.
The tax is so low that the EU Common Market is basically redundant as a customs union with tariff walls.
I think I'm right in saying that Norway and Switzerland are not in the EU, yet they export far more per capita to the EU than the UK does.
So the EU membership is not a prerequisite for a healthy trading relationship.
Again I think I'm right in saying the UK do more trading out side of the EU(maybe someone can put me right. here)
In my opinion we will be much better off leaving the EU. Wouldn't you like the UK law made by the people we vote in?
What I vote come the referendum will depend on the situation at that time, which could be 2 years plus away. A lot can happen before then. So right now, the poll here needs an "undecided" option.
If the real poll was today, and the only information was that available today, I'd vote leave. So I have, here. But my mind might change by the time the real thing arrives.
If the real poll was today, and the only information was that available today, I'd vote leave. So I have, here. But my mind might change by the time the real thing arrives.
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I don't know, living in one of the happiest countries in the World doesn't sound so bad to me. Then again Switzerland tops the list and they're not an EU member but they are a member of the single market.
Except for the limitations on grounds of public policy, public safety or public health. If an IS terrorist is identified then you'd be able to refuse them on either public policy or public safety and probably both if necessary.
Views seem to vary even within Norway on whether it's a good thing or not to be outside of the EU - some like it as it is, some think that they should be outside the EEA and others think they should be part of the EU proper. With their current situation they do have to implement directives but they get no say in them and it costs them money despite having no voting rights - you can debate whether it's cheaper in or out, how much of the contributions are offset by subsidies in return and whether the price paid for having a say in policy is worthwhile or not but opinions vary.
It's a pretty complicated beast though with an awful lot of interconnected strands so you'd have to be very sure that if you unravelled one part you were happy with the potential repercussions through the law of unintended consequences.
//edit - looking at the voting in the poll there's probably only one or two names that I recognise who've voted differently to what I'd have expected. That's probably a sign I've been here too long.
I certainly disagree with that. There are several reasons why there should be a referendum on being in the EU, not least, that there never has been, so being in has no mandate from the people.
If we have a vote and the result is leave, then clearly it's not the will of the people to be in. Buf if the vote is to remain, then it provides categoric proof that that is the will of the people, meaning it then does have a mandate.
How do you know what French immigration policy would be if we left the EU? Why wouldn't there be a simple, cheap process for eg. those in work?
Because, unsurprisingly, France already has a visa system for non-EU nationals. The Swiss get a free pass, the rest have to apply through their employer. As I said, it depends on how vindictive the EU members wanted to be.
It's an unknown. There's certainly a lot of resentment in Spain about British retirees not integrating with the local community. Most of their money stays in the ex-pat community.
Yes, because we were an absolute mess before we joined the EU (note: EU, not "Europe") and couldn't trade with the USA or China... Oh hang on!
While I agree that there are benefits to being in the EU, it's a mess as it stands. If Cameron doesn't get any meaningful reforms then I'll be heading from "in" to "out".
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That is really the essential question, if the country can maintain a reasonable economy outside the EU I'll be voting to leave. I don't believe you can state it definitely would be economic suicide to leave, Europe benefits from trading with the UK so is hardly likely to cut off its nose to spite its face ...
Do any/all of the "in" voters support greater integration?
How do they feel about being a state in a new federal Europe? Joining the single currency, losing our opt-outs, and generally becoming like a US state.
Blair talked about joining the Euro eventually, and it seems unlikely that the UK could be on the fringe forever. I think if the rest of the EU presses ahead with greater integration, the UK would have to commit to that also.
And that's what the EU wants. Greater integration, more unification and standardisation of national apparatus. Who knows what the UK would look like fully unified with the EU.
Frankly, I think "out" is the only choice where we aren't assimilated, Borg-style, into an EU collective (eventually).
How do they feel about being a state in a new federal Europe? Joining the single currency, losing our opt-outs, and generally becoming like a US state.
Blair talked about joining the Euro eventually, and it seems unlikely that the UK could be on the fringe forever. I think if the rest of the EU presses ahead with greater integration, the UK would have to commit to that also.
And that's what the EU wants. Greater integration, more unification and standardisation of national apparatus. Who knows what the UK would look like fully unified with the EU.
Frankly, I think "out" is the only choice where we aren't assimilated, Borg-style, into an EU collective (eventually).
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