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Did amuse me that rockets are out of range, in space with very little resistance?
"Range" isn't just "how far they'll go", a thrown rock in space will continue going potentially forever.

However effective and usable range is very much a thing, for example you have to take into account the communications time for a round trip a controlled rocket, or the sort of engines it has and if they can be shut down and restarted, which means if you're firing at something a long way off you are going to be fighting:
How far the target can move in that time and how that compares to how you expected them to move, which means:
Does your missile have enough smarts to compensate?
Does your missile have enough "sight" to see that change? (especially active sensors that can and will give it away)
If no to either of those how good are the launch platform sensors and can they get that updated information to the missiles in time.


Then you've got "how soon is your missile seen" which means that the further away you fire from, or the faster your missiles bring up their active sensors the longer the target has in which to spot them and take avoiding action or to use counter measures.

The last thing is, your missile might have a specific maximum speed it can reach which will be affected by the launch platforms bearing relative to the target and if it can give it a boost on it's way, the enemy might be moving at a speed that means even at maximum power your missiles might run out of juice before they can reach attack range.

Space combat with non warp speed engines, and light speed comms is very much about positioning and relative bearings and velocities, you can have a super best ever missile, but if you launch it too soon it could perform worse than a rock thrown closer in or a mine left in the likely path.

One of the best examples of this I've found is the Honor Harrington books, where the author goes in (at times extreme) detail about the performance of the missiles, and key points of multiple story lines are based specifically on the relative performance of different weapon systems and the sort of advantage having even really basic FTL comms can give in fights across something the size of a planetary system, and how even "low tech" systems can beat the higher performance ones if used in a smart manner/if you're willing to lose them in high enough numbers (IE one side has really smart missiles that can go much further and faster under control, the other side counters with much bigger/dirtier counter missiles as they can't hit the incoming ones precisely so decide it's better to get a huge near miss that'll hopefully knock out a couple or at least blind the sensors).
 
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Be warned there are something like 15 of them, I enjoy them a fair bit (obviously as I've read them several times*), but have to be in the right mood and my eyes glaze over and sort of skim past some of the long descriptions of the relative speeds, directions, performances and numbers of the missiles being used ;)

They're very deliberately themed similar to the Hornblower books, but with multiple factions in space.


*It's taken about 30 years for them to finish up the Harrington story line, and I started reading them in about 2005.
 
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Has anyone started the new Expanse game from Telltale yet? Reviews seem relatively good, the major complaint seems to be that the first episode is quite short. Episodes are launching every two weeks I believe so I might wait a bit before I grab it.
 

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Has anyone started the new Expanse game from Telltale yet? Reviews seem relatively good, the major complaint seems to be that the first episode is quite short. Episodes are launching every two weeks I believe so I might wait a bit before I grab it.

Probably grab it in a year or two when it is cheap myself. I also want to read the books one day. Will wait for them all to come out and buy a boxset me thinks :)
 
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Probably grab it in a year or two when it is cheap myself. I also want to read the books one day. Will wait for them all to come out and buy a boxset me thinks :)
I’m assuming your final sentence is about the books.

All 9 books plus the printed collection of all the novella has been released. No rumours online about a book bundle as far as I can see.
 
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They finished them all? No more books? Every time I used to look in the past they were always writing more :cry:
Yep they are all out now. Now you just have 5694 pages of reading to do :D .

They were releasing a book every year (bar the final book but that was probably delayed because of COVID), so fair play to them. At leasy the story is finished unlike another popular IP :D


Is this still on Amazon prime?
Yes it is.
 

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I'll probably start over, watch a few seasons, forget about it again, and repeat, never getting to see the end. Maybe i should get the books and a pack of bookmarks :p

Haha. Will leave this here in return then :p

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"Range" isn't just "how far they'll go", a thrown rock in space will continue going potentially forever.

However effective and usable range is very much a thing, for example you have to take into account the communications time for a round trip a controlled rocket, or the sort of engines it has and if they can be shut down and restarted, which means if you're firing at something a long way off you are going to be fighting:
How far the target can move in that time and how that compares to how you expected them to move, which means:
Does your missile have enough smarts to compensate?
Does your missile have enough "sight" to see that change? (especially active sensors that can and will give it away)
If no to either of those how good are the launch platform sensors and can they get that updated information to the missiles in time.


Then you've got "how soon is your missile seen" which means that the further away you fire from, or the faster your missiles bring up their active sensors the longer the target has in which to spot them and take avoiding action or to use counter measures.

The last thing is, your missile might have a specific maximum speed it can reach which will be affected by the launch platforms bearing relative to the target and if it can give it a boost on it's way, the enemy might be moving at a speed that means even at maximum power your missiles might run out of juice before they can reach attack range.

Space combat with non warp speed engines, and light speed comms is very much about positioning and relative bearings and velocities, you can have a super best ever missile, but if you launch it too soon it could perform worse than a rock thrown closer in or a mine left in the likely path.

One of the best examples of this I've found is the Honor Harrington books, where the author goes in (at times extreme) detail about the performance of the missiles, and key points of multiple story lines are based specifically on the relative performance of different weapon systems and the sort of advantage having even really basic FTL comms can give in fights across something the size of a planetary system, and how even "low tech" systems can beat the higher performance ones if used in a smart manner/if you're willing to lose them in high enough numbers (IE one side has really smart missiles that can go much further and faster under control, the other side counters with much bigger/dirtier counter missiles as they can't hit the incoming ones precisely so decide it's better to get a huge near miss that'll hopefully knock out a couple or at least blind the sensors).
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So just finished season six, after someone introduced this to me a few weeks ago. Really enjoyed it all, but it sounds like there isn't likely to be a wrap up of the remaining threads. Whilst I'm not really a book person, I'd really like to find out how everything pans out with the remaining threads which were left open. Is the show aligned well enough with the books that I could potentially complete the series or is it too abstract? Is there a specific set of books I'd need to read? Thanks
 
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So just finished season six, after someone introduced this to me a few weeks ago. Really enjoyed it all, but it sounds like there isn't likely to be a wrap up of the remaining threads. Whilst I'm not really a book person, I'd really like to find out how everything pans out with the remaining threads which were left open. Is the show aligned well enough with the books that I could potentially complete the series or is it too abstract? Is there a specific set of books I'd need to read? Thanks
To pick up where the TV show was cancelled and finish the story, you want to read (in order) :

Persepolis Rising
Tiamat's Wrath
Leviathan Falls

Properly wraps it up, worth doing if you liked the TV series. The TV show follows the books almost exactly to that point so it'll make sense.
 
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So just finished season six, after someone introduced this to me a few weeks ago. Really enjoyed it all, but it sounds like there isn't likely to be a wrap up of the remaining threads. Whilst I'm not really a book person, I'd really like to find out how everything pans out with the remaining threads which were left open. Is the show aligned well enough with the books that I could potentially complete the series or is it too abstract? Is there a specific set of books I'd need to read? Thanks

Kind of, most of the broad strokes are the same, but the specific routes the show took versus the books are very different in places. I'd personally recommend reading the whole series but you could probably get away with skipping to the last 3 books as long as you're prepared for a few "hang on, I thought they were dead" and "wait, this isn't what I expect this character to be like" issues, they'll be a few strange moments where show versions of characters being your mental image of them will contrast massively with what you're reading.
 
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