The FA CUP Fifth Round ** Spoilers ** [16th - 19th February 2018] + Replays

muon said:
In cricket there is a similar bias built in. It doesn't have to be like tennis.

Also that is only if the technology is accurate to 1mm in the first place. For balls and lines it is easy. For people it is a lot harder.
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Because in cricket they're looking at where the ball may have gone - they're using technology to predict the path of the ball had it not hit the pad. It's not a matter of fact, it's a prediction and as the technology cannot predict with 100% certainty they allow a buffer to compensate for this. The exact same system is used in tennis but in tennis it's used to determine matter of fact decisions, not opinions or predictions and in tennis there is no buffer.

Whether a player is in an offside position is a matter of fact and with all the billions of pounds in football, if they can't develop a system that is accurate down to 1mm then they may as well pack VAR in all together. Hawk-eye have got a system that can do it down to 1mm with serves travelling at 140mph+.
 
Right, either be accurate to 1mm (regardless of what is possible with technology) or don't do it all. Rugby and NFL take a very different approach more applicable to football.
 
My personal opinion is VAR is a pile of **** but if you're going to spend 2-3 minutes to make a decision then make sure the decision is correct. Imagine stopping the game for 3 minutes and the outcome is still a wrong offside call.
 
BaZ87 said:
My personal opinion is VAR is a pile of **** but if you're going to spend 2-3 minutes to make a decision then make sure the decision is correct. Imagine stopping the game for 3 minutes and the outcome is still a wrong offside call.
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Interesting point off view Baz. If you take your very strong opinions on the Spurs game with VAR the pens might have not been given after review would you not say that Var is worth it? If you still think its a pile of poo then surely you can't complain about marginal decisions? Not on the wind up genuinely interested.

My take is use VAR but instead of making it exclusive make it inclusive get the big screens showing the reviews , get the reviews sponsored but whoever. In all the games I've been to over the last few years everyone see its on twitter etc anyway. Why have all this smoke and mirrors stuff.
 
I witnessed VAR first hand at the Liverpool - West Brom Cup game. I was actually sat close to a cameraman and could see what was going on through his monitor (unlike the other 50,000 supporters), 2 decisions went in our favour and I still said VAR was a pile of ****.

I also don't get this idea that if you don't like VAR then you can't complain about officials making wrong decisions. My issues with VAR is that it's massively flawed, certainly at the moment. First off it shouldn't be used for subjective decisions because it's going to be too inconsistent and cause massive controversy - we've seen this already with the Salah (vs WBA) & Willian (vs Norwich?) penalty appeals. If anything the Willian penalty was more of a penalty than the Salah one yet the decision to not award Chelsea a pen stood but Salah's was overturned and given.

I don't mind the idea of using technology for offsides but not with the current system. It takes too long and it encourages lino's to not give offsides which is going to open a massive can of worms when goals are scored from 2nd or 3rd phases after the initial attack. As I suggested before, some sort of gps/tracking system needs to be developed that immediately alerts the official (this could be an additional official sat in the stands) to a player being in an offside position, much in the same way as goal line technology and then the match officials can determine themselves whether he's active or not.
 
All the smoke and mirrors and (imo borderline deliberately) poor implementation of VAR so far in football is because regardless of video assistance, refereeing in football is too inconsistent and requires too much wholesale change to really improve it. A good VAR system would serve only to further highlight how ambiguous half the rules are, how differently referees are interpreting everything and how little the governing bodies want to genuinely take proper action to fix any of it.
 
Kenai said:
All the smoke and mirrors and (imo borderline deliberately) poor implementation of VAR so far in football is because regardless of video assistance, refereeing in football is too inconsistent and requires too much wholesale change to really improve it. A good VAR system would serve only to further highlight how ambiguous half the rules are, how differently referees are interpreting everything and how little the governing bodies want to genuinely take proper action to fix any of it.
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Agreed. Refs basically wing it and just hope to right half the time. Don't know why they can't add more linesmen and have a ref watching the TV with a direct line to them all. Just need to say, missed something their might want to have a look and show him the footage. Right now they are stopping play having a discussion then deciding to look or not and then having another discussion.

Live mics would be nice as well. Would help then regain respect on the pitch I think. Rugby and Amfootball don't have half the problems with disrespectful players. A lot more dialogue going on with the refs in Amfootball to but that's partially to do with the breaks.

I wouldn't be against officials behind the goal as well to look for fouls on corners/ free kicks and dives etc. A ref can't be every where and why they can't have a team of say 7 officials minding the pitch, one with the managers and one watching the game I don't know. At the highest levels their should be a high degree of accuracy.

Also think they could do with keeping refs and assistants together as a team. They will just work better that way.
 
Hard not to see Spurs winning this though, if they apply themselves a bit better.
 
I think he would have got clattered either way, the defender stuck his leg right across, but he was certainly well on his way down before there was any contact and with vastly more 'energy' than a trip would cause
 
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