The FA CUP Fourth Round 27/28/29 January *** Spoilers ****

After travelling to watch Norwich play against West Brom, I would be ashamed to call myself a West Brom fan. There we 17,000 people there, around 5,000 of them were Norwich fans and yet the West Brom fans didn't make a sound until they equalized, and even then they were outvoiced by the away fans and stayed quiet for the rest of the game...Contender for worst fans of the season.

But back to the football, Norwich dominated the first half and then for some reason Lambert gave them a massive team talk at half time leading to a very poor performance in the 2nd half. If it wasn't for an outstanding performance from Jed Steer(How is he only the 3rd choice?) then WBA would have gotten all three points. We held in and eventually they handed us an easy chance to take all three points. With numerous "big teams" out of the cup I can see us going on a cup run here...

Ohh and btw, do West Brom players always perform a masterful display of acting(diving) or was it only us lucky enough to see it? The physios probably did more running than most of the players..
 
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BaZ87 said:
That's true. supafly's assumption as to why Evra was boo'd is massively wrong though.
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And why was he boo'd then?

Irrelevant to whatever you think the reason was. Seeing a player who was involved in a racist incident which saw one player receive an 8 game ban, coupled with Liverpool's reaction, tee shirt and now they're shown around the world to be boo'ing Evra.

Irrelevant to what you've convinced yourself the real reason was (I'm not saying I agree or disagree) but it will not have looked good and wouldn't have done Liverpool's reputation any favours. (they already admitted that their reputation took a knock, the media also said similar during their stories)

In unrelated news, I'm genuinely baffled, why was Anton Ferdinand getting abuse? He's literally (Richard) done nothing wrong in the whole 'Terry is a massive racist' story. Baffling why people are sticking up for Terry and giving Anton abuse. Baffling.
 
Tribalism, many peoples belief that he lied or at the very least exaggerated his story, inciting the crowd at the league game earlier in the season and generally being a ****.

And I'm really struggling to see why people are overly concerned with a player getting boo'd. Players have received far worse abuse in this fixture in the past and ultimately, booing is pantomime like.

If people want to concern themselves with something, concentrate on the idiot making the monkey gesture or the idiots making Hillsborough chants, not ****ing booing. Anybody that take exception to Evra being boo'd either has no idea why he was boo'd or is a tad too sensitive.
 
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Tummy said:
And why was he boo'd then?

Irrelevant to whatever you think the reason was. Seeing a player who was involved in a racist incident which saw one player receive an 8 game ban, coupled with Liverpool's reaction, tee shirt and now they're shown around the world to be boo'ing Evra.

Irrelevant to what you've convinced yourself the real reason was (I'm not saying I agree or disagree) but it will not have looked good and wouldn't have done Liverpool's reputation any favours. (they already admitted that their reputation took a knock, the media also said similar during their stories)
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This.

Was a pretty distasteful sight IMO
 
BaZ87 said:
Tribalism, many peoples belief that he lied or at the very least exaggerated his story, inciting the crowd at the league game earlier in the season and generally being a ****.

And I'm really struggling to see why people are overly concerned with a player getting boo'd. Players have received far worse abuse in this fixture in the past and ultimately, booing is pantomime like.

If people want to concern themselves with something, concentrate on the idiot making the monkey gesture or the idiots making Hillsborough chants, not ****ing booing. Anybody that take exception to Evra being boo'd either has no idea why he was boo'd or is a tad too sensitive.
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Its just cool to hate on Liverpool again right now, must mean we'r doing something right.
 
Those nasty Liverpool fans booing poor ol Evra eh. All racists aren't we.

Perfectly alright for Mancs to sing songs about Hillsborough all game long though :rolleyes:

Alpherah said:
Its just cool to hate on Liverpool again right now, must mean we'r doing something right.
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I'm waiting on the media condemnation of Chelsea football club, think I may be waiting for some time though...
 
BaZ87 said:
Booing Evra has nothing to do with a lack of respect for 'the issue'. As I said before, there are countless reasons why Evra was going to be boo'd and none of them were because he's black.

And again as I've said before, why would they unreservedly apologise to Evra if they believe he's lied/exaggerated his story? I know I wouldn't.

Liverpool have condemned racism and all forms of discrimination however racism is in the spotlight because of what's happened and that's enough for some clown to make an idiot of himself.

If Utd issued an unreserved public apology for any Utd fans that sung about Hillsborough today would it stop the possibility of a Utd fan singing about Hillsborough at OT in a couple of weeks? And if Utd don't issue this apology, can I condemn Utd for not doing so, sighting that as the reason why some idiot will sing about Hillsborough in a couple of weeks time?
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The difference is though that Munich and Hillsborough became - to many misguided people - tribal issues many moons ago in less tolerant times. It is extremely unfortunate that this stuff is so ingrained in some people that they lose sight of how despicable the chants are.

However, in their handling of the case Liverpool, and Liverpool alone, made this a tribal thing too which was enormously misguided. They had the power to defuse the situation but didn't. You might think Liverpool fans boo Evra for other reasons, however they boo him because he 'won' the verdict at the hearing. United certainly didn't celebrate that and moved on quickly because it was not a victory for the club. Dalglish, however, treated it as a defeat for Liverpool with Evra the one at fault. He didn't invite this upon himself. You also need to remember that what is offensive is judged by the victim, not the aggressor.

You say the abuse is for personal reasons but no United player has had that level of premeditated abuse for 90 minutes at Anfield, not even our most objectionable players.
 
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The difference is though that Munich and Hillsborough became - to many misguided people - tribal issues many moons ago in less tolerant times. However, in their handling of the case Liverpool, and Liverpool alone, made this a tribal thing too which was enormously misguided. They had the power to defuse the situation but didn't. You might think Liverpool fans boo Evra for other reasons, however they boo him because he 'won' the verdict at the hearing. United certainly didn't celebrate that and moved on quickly because it was not a victory for the club. Dalglish, however, treated it as a defeat for Liverpool with Evra the one at fault. He didn't invite this upon himself. You also need to remember that what is offensive is judged by the victim, not the aggressor.
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Patrice Evra was not boo'd because of anything Liverpool said or did. Evra was boo'd because of general tribalism amongst fans, blind loyalty and several valid reasons for booing him.

I know far more Liverpool fans and converse with far more Liverpool fans than you do and I know what Liverpool fans are saying and thinking. Watch the Liverpool - Utd league game earlier in the season and you'll hear Evra being boo'd from the moment he rolled around in front of the Kop and then got up and started kissing the Utd badge.
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You say the abuse is for personal reasons but no United player has had that level of premeditated abuse for 90 minutes at Anfield, not even our most objectionable players.
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Rubbish. Neville and Rooney received far worse. The boo's even died down after the first 20 minutes or so.
 
BaZ87 said:
Rubbish. Neville and Rooney received far worse. The boo's even died down after the first 20 minutes or so.
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Being at the game, the boo's were nothing as you said.
Sounded much worse on the TV though when seeing the game from ITV. Not that I'm one for entertaining a media conspiracy *whistles*
 
I didn't think that boo's were that bad at all. I even mentioned earlier in the thread that I was surprised at how mild the abuse was.
Shamikebab said:
That sounds slightly spooky and a little like you're their leader or something :p
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Yea, my pillow case is purple ;)

The KKK leader guy is dressed in purple isn't he?
 
Shamikebab said:
Not so much that, but with the conspiracy theories and the criticism is just because you're doing something right :/
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The moon landing was a fake! :eek::eek:

Seriously though, we (LFC fans) obviously will never see eye to eye over some issues lately, we're constantly reminded we need to 'move on' yet every 5 seconds its someone else bringing it up, again, and somehow we are to blame for that?

The Booing at Evra wasn't as bad as it sounds on the TV, it was completely non-audible from where i was sat by 40 mins, probably earlier i just never checked the time before that point. And besides - Recent issues aside Evra had it coming anyway for acting like a clown every time he's stepped on to the grass at Anfield.

Far worse has happened at these games then someone getting a bit of boo'ing
 
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I see the media not really reporting on the hillsborough chants from 5000 odd for a lot of the game, even had guys singing about it and hysel on my plane back from manchester to Belfast.

Also the microphone levels are constantly adjusted during the game, it's so bloody obvious, I thought the 'there's only one lying *******' chants would have had you lot more angry than the boos as it was pretty loud.
 
Purdy said:
Also the microphone levels are constantly adjusted during the game, it's so bloody obvious, I thought the 'there's only one lying *******' chants would have had you lot more angry than the boos as it was pretty loud.
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No no, less of that adjusting volume conspiracy you!
Yeah, was seated pretty close to the united fans, the chants were lame but nothing new, same as when the odd few of our lot give them the same at their place.

Disappointing that anyone would chant such things but thats football these days i guess.
 
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