The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

Nightglow · 26 Feb 2012 at 17:05

Meaker said:
We are a bit worried on the mobile front, the 670M might just be a rebrand of the 570M and the 675M and 680M (which cost more than the 580M does now) are going to be the new chips.

Won't be the first time Nvidia done this.

stulid · 26 Feb 2012 at 17:49

Just looked back a few pages and havent seen this posted yet,
http://fudzilla.com/home/item/26069-kepler-gk104-cards-in-production

Partners got the briefing

We got word that Nvidia finally talked to its partners about its highly confidential Kepler products.

They got briefed, they got the reference design and the production of the cards is staring as we speak. It looks like most of the cards available at launch are going to look alike, with different cooling from some partners, but the non-reference partner cards will come a bit later.

Nvidia should be ready to release GK104 by April, but we are not aware of any solid date at this time. Jensen did mention that Nvidia had some lower than expected 28nm yields but also clarified that it is nothing like the transition to 40nm a few years back.

Despite some rumors that Kepler might be a good performer, AMD is still enjoying quite good sales of its 28nm products. It is getting ready to finish launching top to bottom portfolio from entry level all the way to high-end.

555BUK · 26 Feb 2012 at 18:29

drunkenmaster said:
When you can get 60% higher performance from a 7970 or 50% higher performance from a 7950, both, how many 580gtx's are being sold now and at what profit.

50-60%. What have you been smoking? Or are you ralking about some very specific benchmarks where the 7900's are overclocked to the max and 580 is not?

Locky · 26 Feb 2012 at 18:51

555BUK said:
50-60%. What have you been smoking? Or are you ralking about some very specific benchmarks where the 7900's are overclocked to the max and 580 is not?

It's drunkmaster, the master of pulling bull **** from thin air.

ALXAndy · 26 Feb 2012 at 19:02

stulid said:
Just looked back a few pages and havent seen this posted yet,
http://fudzilla.com/home/item/26069-kepler-gk104-cards-in-production

Yeah seems to be true. I do know that a load of Nvidia cards have been removed from Newegg. Possibly to make way for newer models?

flopper · 26 Feb 2012 at 21:05

555BUK said:
50-60%. What have you been smoking? Or are you ralking about some very specific benchmarks where the 7900's are overclocked to the max and 580 is not?

eyefinity resolutions the 580 tanks badly and are way behind up to 80%.
at 1920x1080 there are minor differences with a ton of difference cards.

when kepler is out maybe next year, we can do a 1280x1024 or such comparison and we see its not even a good card as it dosnt make sense towards another much cheaper one. You can prove a lot but in practice, very few will notice difference at the most common resolutions.

30-50% in skyrim and bf2 at 2560 resolutions.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/01/09/amd_radeon_hd_7970_overclocking_performance_review/3
in deus ex at 5040x1050 resolution 7970 is 80% faster than the 580.

I dont call that catshit.

titaniumx3 · 26 Feb 2012 at 22:01

^^ I think that's a 1.5gb 580. If it were a 3gb version the differences would quickly go back to the usual 20-30%.

Surveyor · 26 Feb 2012 at 22:10

flopper said:
eyefinity resolutions the 580 tanks badly and are way behind up to 80%.

I've no wish to get into the VRAM argument but surely testing a 1.5GB GTX 580 against a 3GB HD 7970 is hardly a fair comparison at that sort of resolution.

I know there isn't a 3GB GTX 580 which can run 3 monitors so it's the best they could do.

But you need to consider the results taking the VRAM difference into account.

TheRealDeal · 26 Feb 2012 at 22:46

titaniumx3 said:
^^ I think that's a 1.5gb 580. If it were a 3gb version the differences would quickly go back to the usual 20-30%.

No they wouldnt. The gtx580 they are using shows no signs of running out of memory. The real time frame graphs show steady fps on the gtx580 not erractic and extremely low minimums. Overclocked the gtx580 is no match for a 7970 oc. A gtx580 3gb might be a few percent faster but not enough to make these results look any better for the nv card.

Cleeecooo · 26 Feb 2012 at 22:53

TheRealDeal said:
No they wouldnt. The gtx580 they are using shows no signs of running out of memory. The real time frame graphs show steady fps on the gtx580 not erractic and extremely low minimums. Overclocked the gtx580 is no match for a 7970 oc. A gtx580 3gb might be a few percent faster but not enough to make these results look any better for the nv card.

The GTX 580 isn't near as good as the 7970 when factoring in overclocks and price, but then again, it's not really meant to be as it's the previous gen.

Is there a general consensus on Kepler release date? (April?)

Davefran · 26 Feb 2012 at 23:12

I would have thought the whole point of these Premium GPU's is that they can run at very high resolutions.
If you're only playing at up to 1080p is there any real need for a better card than a GTX560 Ti or an HD6950 ?

Rroff · 26 Feb 2012 at 23:16

120Hz?

Surveyor · 26 Feb 2012 at 23:16

Davefran said:
If you're only playing at up to 1080p is there any real need for a better card than a GTX560 Ti or an HD6950 ?

At 1080p possibly 3D or 120Hz?

tommybhoy · 26 Feb 2012 at 23:22

555BUK said:
What have you been smoking?

I don't know about DM, but an OC'd 7970 smokes an OC'd 580 by 49% in Skyrim, 72% in Deus Ex(but it's an AMD title), 48% in BF3(but it would be less with 4XAA instead of 2XAA)@2560

The Skyrim result imo is quite impressive, considering Nvidia has very good performance in this title.

Not impressed with[H] for not doing 4XAA in BF3 though.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/01/09/amd_radeon_hd_7970_overclocking_performance_review/5

Regarding an OC' 7970 v a stock 6970 in BAA:

'The stock GIGABYTE Radeon HD 7970 had an average 19.6 FPS more than the AMD Radeon HD 6970, while the overclocked version was 117% faster with 28.7 higher average framerates.'

http://hardocp.com/article/2012/02/08/gigabyte_radeon_hd_7970_oc_video_card_review/4

That is a stunning improvement over a previous gens performance imo.

Rroff · 26 Feb 2012 at 23:29

EDIT: Ignore mis-read

tommybhoy · 26 Feb 2012 at 23:33

Of course the PhysX is off.

The comment of BAA performance was in regards of AMD v AMD Rroff, 7970 v 6970= 117% faster.

Nowhere did I mention performance figures between the 7970 v 580 in BAA.

Rroff · 26 Feb 2012 at 23:36

I posted while still in the middle of reading the post then carried on reading and edited my post.

tommybhoy · 26 Feb 2012 at 23:40

No problems.

Rroff, do you think Nvidia can bring more performance in @1080p or do you think they will get stronger after 1080p like the 79**'s?

drunkenmaster · 26 Feb 2012 at 23:44

555BUK said:
50-60%. What have you been smoking? Or are you ralking about some very specific benchmarks where the 7900's are overclocked to the max and 580 is not?

Locky said:
It's drunkmaster, the master of pulling bull **** from thin air.

See, its funny because you both try that then I pull a link out that you either click and realise your posts were stupid, or you ignore and claim you're still right either way.

http://hardocp.com/article/2012/01/09/amd_radeon_hd_7970_overclocking_performance_review/7

48-80% faster, 60% was a rough average, not best case scenario...... up against a 580gtx with a 12% overclock or not far off max on air.

Oh no, so a bog standard first 7970 they tried, ends up AVERAGE 60% faster than a 12% overclocked 580gtx.......

Oh wait, and every other review that shows an overclocked 580gtx vs an overclocked 7970...... shows the same thing.

Then you'll come at me, again with a but they didn't use a 3Gb card so obviously those results aren't valid.

Before you do that I'll ask you to link benchmarks of those games at those settings being limited by memory on a 1.5GB 580gtx... you won't because the last time someone tried to blame it all on the memory, I provided links to prove otherwise and no one could provide links proving the memory limited the performance.

Max overclock 7970 vs max overclock 580gtx is a no contest, its exactly as much faster than a 580gtx I've said it would be since 6 months ago, and exactly as much faster than 6970 I said it would be.

Rroff · 26 Feb 2012 at 23:49

tommybhoy said:
No problems.

Rroff, do you think Nvidia can bring more performance in @1080p or do you think they will get stronger after 1080p like the 79**'s?

A lot will still depend on VRAM and the details of how a specific application utilises the GPU especially once games finally move on from "DX9" (even most "DX10/11" games are barely utilising above whats possible with DX9 imo) a lot will depend on whose core architecture works best with proper DX11+ features and backend compute if its utilised for AI and so on.

I actually think the 7970 is a solid card (some driver issues aside

) - stock for stock it pretty much matches GTX470 SLI out the box which is nothing to sniff at just marketed wrong it does not by any objective stretch of the imagination take the place of the top end next generation card and should be priced and marketed as such - in any other generation it would have taken the place of the 8800GTS, 5850, GTX275 (GTX260 occupied more like the 7950 position and there was nothing quite in that position compared to the GTX280 when the 200 series was released), etc. I firmly believe there is collusion between AMD and nVidia to keep the GTX580 prices on a high.