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The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?
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Why should NVidia provide detailed specs, or confirm or deny speculation before they launch a new product? Why should they give the competition advance warning, and time to prepare counter measures?
AMD and NVidia behave in exactly the same way with their NDA's and threats of cutting supply chains to partners who do not tow the line. AMD only moved forward the 7800 paper release because real specs had been leaked. What NVidia has kept secret will take AMD probably 4-6 weeks to respond to once the info is available. Same applies on both sides.
AMD and NVidia behave in exactly the same way with their NDA's and threats of cutting supply chains to partners who do not tow the line. AMD only moved forward the 7800 paper release because real specs had been leaked. What NVidia has kept secret will take AMD probably 4-6 weeks to respond to once the info is available. Same applies on both sides.
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Because when you are about to charge £400+ for something and have been waiting for it due to delays (which are Nvidia's fault) then you deserve better.
Trying to stop people from buying a product that already exists and is already faster than any Nvidia effort deserves more than a ****in static bag with a poorly printed piece of card on (the black isn't even black).
Hahaha yeah. What you and Andybird said above.
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to be honest they dont have to give us any info and with them not giving us any info is actually creating more of a buzz or getting us talking about it more than if they were to give us specs.
I bet NV are laughing thier heads off looking at forums that have a load of rumoured specs and release dates that havent even come from them.
at the end of the day it will come out when NV want it to and not a day before they will charge what they want too
You deserve nothing.
You/we are a fraction of nVidia's profit.
If you THINK and FEEL you are hard done by go and buy an AMD product - Put your money where your mouth is and vote with your business. It will be finished when it is finished, at a price nVidia want to sell at and that is the end of it. Nothing will change this so STOP WHINING.
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Paper launch on the 12th of March:
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/08/...o-nvidia-keplergk104gtx680-launch-activities/
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/08/...o-nvidia-keplergk104gtx680-launch-activities/
to be honest they dont have to give us any info and with them not giving us any info is actually creating more of a buzz or getting us talking about it more than if they were to give us specs.
I bet NV are laughing thier heads off looking at forums that have a load of rumoured specs and release dates that havent even come from them.
at the end of the day it will come out when NV want it to and not a day before they will charge what they want too
It does make me LOL how you seem to think that a company can treat people as it wishes, treat them like idiots, sit and laugh at them and still live in the hope that people will buy their products.
It doesn't work like that you see, not in the real world.
A couple of years ago I placed an order with an OCUK competitor. I bought a product that had a large label on the box that said "SUPPORTS AMD PHENOM FX PROCESSORS".
However, when it arrived it did not support mine and was as dead as a dodo.
I sent the board back and was told that I now had to pay £15 for both ways shipping and pay a £10 "testing fee".
I asked them to show me where on their website or on the box or in the manual that it may not support MY Phenom FX processor and they couldn't. They just said that that was that. Not only that but I ended up spending £4 on phone calls to their 0870 number paying to fix a problem that wasn't my problem. I heard them in the background laughing and joking and thinking it was funny.
That's cool. Not only did I never buy anything from them again (paying more to deliberately get it somewhere else) but I also wrote an article for a website that I write for posting all of the evidence.
At first they tried to bully the site's owner and make him take down my "review" but he refused as they had no legal grounds to do so. What I had said was perfectly true and correct, that "other" company had simply underestimated who I was and the clout I could have for writing reviews of websites and products.
No doubt they lost more business, as I then went ahead and disclosed information of how they had tried to backtrack and bully people into retracting the truth.
When you are in business you can conduct yourself however you like. You can post crap talk (like "Wow ! isn't Tahiti underwhelming !") you can post fake pictures, you can post products made from wood. You can lie about availability and you can basically act however you want to.
However. Given that it is a business and not something you are laying on for free you really need to be careful about burning your customers. After the Fermi debacle I had vowed never to trust a word they said and never to force myself to go without because of what they said. In that time they lost a loyal customer, as up until that point I had not bought a AMD/ATI card in nearly a decade.
Fermi cards did not sell and stocks plummeted.They also alienated Intel with their arrogance and that cost them dearly too. Intel merely responded back by saying "Sorry, no more Intel socket licenses for you we will take that business thanks !" and did. Nvidia no longer make motherboards.
So whilst I do find it humorous that you think that Nvidia can treat people how they want with such disregard and reckless abandon I promise you now their arrogance will cost them.
Look at what is happening to GAME right now. That is what happens when you get above your station and think you can act and treat people however you want to.
They will quite rightly be starved into administration as a reward for how they treat people.
Karma. What goes around comes around.
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Really?
i didnt say i didnt care how they treated us i just said they dont have to share any info with us untill there ready. im as interested as anyone else to see what NV bring to the table but does it mean i expect updates from them telling us what there next gen cards are like to be honest no, ill wait untill there out if there crap i wont bother if there good then maybe i might get one. and good for you writing that review im sure it was very useful to people who were thinking of buying from that site.
Id rather NV take a few more months to release somthing that works and is good than rush it and its crap but if it is crap i just wont buy it as at the end of the day its my money im parting with so for me i have to be happy with what im paying and what im getting out of it.
Fermi was a few months late and was still crap.
Indeed. I was actually waiting for it, right up until the point the truth came out and Nvidia slapped those websites with a cease and desist order.
It's one thing to tell lies, it's another when you actually believe those lies and then try and bully people into keeping quiet.
That methodology simply doesn't work.
How did I react to that? I went and bought a pair of 5770s. Crap as they were at least they were real. And it came to be that I did the right thing, as Fermi's launch was just all wrong.
Since then my two major expensive purchases have both been AMD.
And I am vocal. Millions are not. Look at the hundreds of EVGA 480s showing up for sale all of a sudden.
Whilst I am sure that Nvidia will very likely not be worried at all by me buying AMD gpus in order to spite them and I am a minority it doesn't end that way. Sooner or later like GAME you will be held accountable for your actions.
As I said before. Karma. Goes around, comes around. Once bitten and all that.
Fermi was a few months late and was still crap.
How was it crap?
Hot.. yup, but with good airflow in your case it was not so much an issue
Slow? .. Faster than what ATI had to offer at a cost.
Power consumption.. Not really worth batting an eyelid at.
So come on please expand.
IMO after what Nvidia had said about it (and about ATI) that it would absolutely destroy the 5 series Radeons. It didn't.
It was too expensive. 5-10% faster at launch than a 5870 does not make it worth £100 more. So it was priced wrong, given that it had perfect competition. It was months late, it was hot, it used a lot of power, it made a lot of noise.
Which the 5870 did none of the above. So it lost, miserably, hence it was a complete failure in both spec terms and PR terms.
It saw the end of many companies, one of whom being BFG. There was hardly anything at all positive about Fermi's launch, other than the laugh it must have given the top bods @ ATI.
I think it actually has more to do with the fact that process matures and they can bin silicon with more certainty at which level it will perform.
If you have an SKu that is your top end lets say 1200mhz then all silicon that reaches that speed will be sold as that SKU be it able to reach 1500mhz or just 1201mhz. So you get massive variation in overclocks early in the game.
Then once the process matures a new SKU is normally launched lets say the 1300mhz version. Suddenly all the chips going in to make the 1200mhz SKU's are the crappy silicon note able to do 1300mhz otherwise don't you think they would be selling it as a 1300mhz SKU where they can make more profit?
Pretty sure that's how it works.
As for what nvidia is doing?
Well come monday or the 23rd when the actual NDA drops we'll know. Nvidia was late to the game no one even the nvidia fanboys can deny it. All anyone needs to know is whether it was worth the wait. If they come out with a card that does not beat a 7970 in ALL benchmarks then they've failed. Believe me they'll be doing all they can to make sure they do beat a 7970 as much as they can. Nvidia market share is already suffering for being late and nvidia have share holders to answer too.
ATI are aggressive and that's good for us.
Long may this continue. I'd love a third company to join in that can only mean better prices and technology for us the consumers.
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