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The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?
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Soldato
So the GK104 is going to be $299 in the US,over 10% faster than an HD7970 3GB,consume less power and has a shorter PCB??
Essentially that is what the rumours are saying ATM.
If 28nm production really has stopped they won't be cheap otherwise they will sell all their stock and have no idea when they will be getting more.
Unless it's a lot cheaper.
Latest round of anandtech benchmarks put them pretty much neck and neck with one winning some stuff and the other wining others (until you overclock both when the 470 takes the lead in pretty much every case except where VRAM limited).
Caporegime
I am sitting on a pile of cash but I won't spend it just yet if the 1st Kepler is only ~10% faster than the 7970 and comes in dearer. If cheaper then OCUK get my money.
I can happily sit with my 560 for a few more months but would prefer it to go into my other system
I can happily sit with my 560 for a few more months but would prefer it to go into my other system
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Personally I'm waiting for Kepler to arrive so 580 prices drop a bit. Could go SLI 580 for a more reasonable cost. The 5xx range will still be more than capable. I mean I've got BF3 on 2560x1600 and almost max settings running on my 30" screen and it runs very smoothly - on a single 580. I think these cards will hold up very well for at least another year if not more, much like the 8800s did. Unless Nvidia pulls something amazing out of the bag with Kepler, that is. Then you won't be able to give the 580s away.
Soldato
Honestly there are only a couple games that stress my 5850. I want newer better game engines to come out!
Caporegime
Unreal engine 3 looks sweet,
Not at launch, the 480 now has a greater lead over 5870 than it did at launch probably due to more modern games using more vram and tesselation
Here is the launch review of fermi at 1080p:
As someone who works in the retail buisness, this comment makes me very angry.
It's true that your own single purchase of a graphics card makes very little difference. But did you know on average you will tell 8-9 (can't remember the exact number) other people about your bad customer service experiences?
And you'll tell the same amount of people about your good customer service experiences (especially if a company can turn a bad experience into a good experience -- eg, faulty product turned into a free upgrade).
And some of the people you tell will tell their friends and on and on.
As long as you're not ONLY purchasing and never engaging other people in discussion about the products, what you say and do does make a bloody difference.
A good example of all this is lots of people (people semi-experienced with PC upgrades) refuse to even think about buying ATI/AMD cards from my shop due to "bad drivers", even though AMD drivers are mostly problem free these days. AMD is going to have to spend years more convincing people their drivers are fine (or NVidia will have to make a lot more slip ups...).
Enthusiasts are a small portion of the business, but they're a large part of what NVidia designs products for (though I don't mean that 100%; can't think of a better way of putting it right now...). If enthusiasts aren't kept happy, products get bad reviews, and lots of enthusiasts will tell their less tech savy friends not to purchase the products when it's time to do an upgrade.
Btw, yes, some of this is my opinion, but the first 4 paragraphs are facts
nVidia are not a retail outlet though. They supply.
No matter what Gamer X whines about OEMs will still lap up GPUs. Just like they lapped up Bulldozer from AMD.
Yes, bad PR is not ideal, far from it but nVidia will not release information to keep Gamer X happy, delays or no delays.
They are 1 of 2 suppliers of high end discrete GPUs in the desktop and laptop market so comparing them to your shop is pretty short sited.
The number of purchases from totally uninformed individuals more than likely far outweighs those of us who know what we are buying.
The little guy in this market is rather insignificant and there is more than enough fanboiism/brand loyalty and mud slinging going on daily that a crappy comment for an over entitled individual who wants everything NOW is a drop in the ocean.
I am all for excellent customer service, communication and transparency but nVidia is not a company who NEEDS to shine in these disciplines as long as they bring out something, sometime that is somewhat competitive.
Most of this trash talk and supposed let downs are based off nothing but rumour. It's pathetic. People are slamming a company for missing a release date they never even set.
I don’t know why but I am quite happy about this, I know it means that there is a little longer to wait but at least it will be a hard launch with stock available on the day. (Unless of course they bugger that up
)Exactly.
Up until this last week all that has been said by Nvidia themselves was Jen-Hsun Huang saying "be patient" at CES. I dont think they have officially said anything else, unless someone has links to other comments they have actually said about Kepler's release?
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That's true. The entitled whining on this thread is nothing short of hilarious.
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ALXAndy has an AMD card anyway so why he's getting quite so worked up I have no idea
calm down dear, it's only a graphics card, I'm actually a very good gamer
calm down dear, it's only a graphics card, I'm actually a very good gamer
More interestingly I think is that if the rumours there is a dual 104 based card being worked on to follow shortly are correct it would suggest the high end 110 based card isn't likely to appear this wave.
In that case give or take a a few quid in price and +/- 10% performance either way depending on game or drivers, it looks like we've seen all we're going to get this iteration (with the exception of a potential performance boost from dual GPU single slot cards from both red and green which should be fairly predictable).
Not exactly disappointing but not the huge step forward I was hoping for all told.
In that case give or take a a few quid in price and +/- 10% performance either way depending on game or drivers, it looks like we've seen all we're going to get this iteration (with the exception of a potential performance boost from dual GPU single slot cards from both red and green which should be fairly predictable).
Not exactly disappointing but not the huge step forward I was hoping for all told.
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I think that about sums it up
Way back in October I picked up a 3GB 580 Classified because it was common knowledge Kepler was at least 6 months away, seems Nvidia is meeting it's targets to me 
Couple of things that have really bugged me are the lack of news on a Half Life remake called "Blackmesa" and Valves HL3.....I can not accept any valid reason for zero info or progress reports for either !
Personally I will not be buying a 28nm card until the Autumn/winter, which should allow enough time for them to optimise the cards.
Couple of things that have really bugged me are the lack of news on a Half Life remake called "Blackmesa" and Valves HL3.....I can not accept any valid reason for zero info or progress reports for either !
Personally I will not be buying a 28nm card until the Autumn/winter, which should allow enough time for them to optimise the cards.
Depends which games you play and at which resolutions. With modern tesselated games the 470 is faster, but overall both are pretty much equal. The 470 definately overclocks better and has a little extra VRAM, but it also runs hotter.
I guess that proves that NVidia have either made bigger advances with their drivers or the architecture was more forward thinking because the difference now is quite a bit wider. You of course need take into account modern shader and tesselation intensive games, where Fermi has a clear advantage over the 5800's. At launch few games really took advantage of this, but over the past 12 months Fermi has pulled further ahead. The 6900 series rectified these shortcomings, and 7900's push things further.Not at launch, the 480 now has a greater lead over 5870 than it did at launch probably due to more modern games using more vram and tesselation
Here is the launch review of fermi at 1080p:
Currently the GTX480 is a good 20%+ faster than the 5870 (which is pretty much equal to the 470). i think the 5800's were great cards (I had two in crossfire), but they have aged quicker (performance wise) than the Fermi 4x0 cards. Infact, it's pretty amazing how well the 480's have held up. Great cards!
edit: Here is an up to date comparision which includes both old and more recent games. It is interesting to note how close the now geriatric GTX480 comes to the 7970 accross such a wide combination of games and resolutions.
Actually, there is almost the same percentage performance difference between the 5870 and GTX480 (same gen cards), as there is between the GTX480 and 7970. 21% vs 24% incremental increases to be precise. Perhaps the 480 was a virtual "half a generation" ahead of the 5870, and now the 7900 is "half a generation" ahead of the 480. That last comment should get a few people excited
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