The first "proper" Kepler news Fri 17th Feb?

[Phage]

But why would TSMC have lower yields than the other fabs ?

 

[Sin_Chase]

In terms of GK104 and if it ends up being called the 680gtx, it won't be £500, it won't smash a 7970, it certainly won't come close to a 7970 at 1200Mhz

Bold claims.

 

[drunkenmaster]

But why would TSMC have lower yields than the other fabs ?

Because other fabs are, other fabs?

Different technologies, different price points, different markets, different customers, different goals, different strategies, different profit levels, different R&D spending, and the list goes on and on.

Intel have one real product that their process is tuned to, process and chip technology R&D is so closely mixed which gives Intel a massive advantage.

TSMC aren't the manufacturing arm of a chip designing company, they are a foundry who service thousands of clients making everything from miniscule chips on 180nm at stupidly low clocks to 28nm chips that can hit over 2Ghz. Even within 28nm they will make sub 20mm2 chips that are sub 1W that will run under a 200-300mhz, to 550mm2 graphics chips with 6.5ish billion transistors that run at 350W+ at circa 1Ghz, and A15 chips that(can't remember the size at all) run at over 2Ghz at only a few watts.

Aside from that, afaik they are basically the only foundry doing 28nm gate last anyway. Intel don't do it, not sure what Samsung are using but 95% sure its gate first as they are part of the IBM/Glofo/AMD/Samsung alliance and share compatibility across fabs.

 

[Ghøst]

Tbh, a £300 new flagship card from Nvidia - that was never going to happen

I thought the GK104 was supposed to be mid ranged not flagship spec

In terms of GK104 and if it ends up being called the 680gtx, it won't be £500, it won't smash a 7970, it certainly won't come close to a 7970 at 1200Mhz(which will either suddenly make an appearance as uber overclocked 7970 special editions or a new 7980 or something). £300 max for it, and don't forget, launch price, if they launch too low then AMD will drop prices quickly and they'll both.

This is what I thought but someone who has signed Nvidia's NDA has said the product that is about to be released is only for rich kids who have a trust fund & people with more money than sense.

 

[Sin_Chase]

This is what I thought but someone who has signed Nvidia's NDA has said the product that is about to be released is only for rich kids who have a trust fund & people with more money than sense.

The same as any high end GPU then.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I thought the GK104 was supposed to be mid ranged not flagship spec




This is what I thought but someone who has signed Nvidia's NDA has said the product that is about to be released is only for rich kids who have a trust fund & people with more money than sense.

Lots of people go on forums say they've signed an NDA and know more than you know.

As said though, its always possible Nvidia will launch it high and get as many stupid sales to stupid people as possible but AMD/nvidia prices will fight off each other and prices would come down anyway.

But don't forget, if Nvidia can launch a GK104, they can launch a dual gk104 as well.

The problem is so many mismatching rumours its hard to know what anyone is talking about at any given time.

Could be we see a GTK 660/670 which is a single GK104 and a GTX680 which is a dual gk104 card, I wouldn't expect that to be cheap either.

It's all silly at some point if everyone had simply refused to buy the 7970 it would have dropped in price. I mean, take any single product, anywhere, and whack the price up 30%, if people keep buying it, why would they put the price back down. If, the 2500k suddenly went up to £250 tomorrow and the 2600k to £350 would people still buy it? If they did, in the same quantity why reduce the price, if all sales stopped, prices would return.

Hell, look at hard drives, people are still buying it even though the vast majority of people are storing large porn or tv collections, which frankly can be redownloaded at any time very easily.

Companies can just keep raising prices if people keep buying anyway so its harder to be sure what the "market" price of a card will end up with at the moment.

In reality, price is dictated by the parts and the total cost and AMD/nvidia need a certain margin of profit to, well, stay profitable, maintain R&D spending and so on, everything above that is gravy. a 7970 simply does not cost 50% more to make than a 5870. we can speculate on what a slightly smaller midrange Nvidia part "should" cost, what people are willing to pay is an entirely different matter

 

[dave_beast]

Fully expect when Nvidia do release high end Kepler, for considerably more hits on this site http://www.popsci.com/technology/ar...live-without-and-how-much-cash-can-i-get-them

 

[spankingtexan]

PhysX is NOT amazing! PhysX is overrated and over marketed pile of ... which is hardly used at all, and games with the best physics modelling (Rise of Flight, Live for Speed to mention but two) manage very nicely without the stupid PhysX. I hope that waht you said isn't what Nvidia actually think- they miiight

Can just here you saying now, "come on you reds" Just wait till you all turn "GREEN" with envy lol.

 

[555BUK]

Well it's 5% of users who use multi screens here:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18372144

It is hardly surprising that a higher than average percentage of users on a PC centric forum make use of multi-screen setups. However, most multi-screen setups consist of just two monitors, something that all NVidia and AMD cards support. For 99% of gamers, one monitor is more than enough. I use mult-screens for work (where they are very useful), but I don't want or need them for gaming (where I consider them a gimmick).

 

[Mario]

Bold claims.

+1
what you expected? DM also said that Faildozzer will be MASSIVE hit
Let him read more Charlie's "accurate" stories

 

[drunkenmaster]

+1
what you expected? DM also said that Faildozzer will be MASSIVE hit
Let him read more Charlie's "accurate" stories

Really? find a single place I've said Bulldozer is a massive hit, seriously. Also Charlie hasn't said Bulldozer was fantastic, so I both haven't said that and couldn't have read it on Semiaccurate, which makes you completely wrong.

 

[Ghøst]

PDXLAN 19 kicks off in 18 hours hopefully someone ups this new NVIDIA Kepler demo to YouTube when its unveiled sometime over the weekend, the event looks kickass and goes on till Monday at 6pm local time (gmt+8).

 

[Borsch]

Cant wait! Hope there will be some solid info there- its about time!

 

[se_vietboi]

Todays the big day xD !

 

[DamoTourettes]

I can't imagine the first glimpse the world will get of Nvidia's new Kepler will be via a crappy games conf. Expect it would be *at least* via some corporate event complete and resplendent with the reviewer schmoozing etc that goes hand in hand with these events. Today's "unveiling" will be more focussed on whatever the game itself is they're demo'ing - anything Kepler related will be kept VERY much under wraps.

 

[gazzaa]

if its better than my ati 7970 ill be getting one can't wait to see what its like.

 

[LeJosh]

28nm yields lower than expected according to CEO of NV.

And around 4 or 5 other companies say so as well.

 

[Ghøst]

I can't imagine the first glimpse the world will get of Nvidia's new Kepler will be via a crappy games conf. Expect it would be *at least* via some corporate event complete and resplendent with the reviewer schmoozing etc that goes hand in hand with these events. Today's "unveiling" will be more focussed on whatever the game itself is they're demo'ing - anything Kepler related will be kept VERY much under wraps.

Wow did you read the announcement that this very thread was based on and reword it to try & look clever or are you actually the great Nostradamus himself?

Either way I'm super impressed at your predictive powers...

 

[drunkenmaster]

28nm yields lower than expected according to CEO of NV.

And around 4 or 5 other companies say so as well.

No a single source claimed this a total of 5 days before Nvidia lowered their forecast and blamed that lowered forecast on lower yields.

EVERY other sources says yields are as expected, which is, lower than the best on a new process.

remember Nvidia claimed 40nm was a complete crock, while other companies were effected by it, they weren't effected anywhere near how badly Nvidia was. It was just an excuse, slightly low yields used as an excuse for a design problem and a chip that had major issues.

It's always funny after months of stories...... including Nvidia's CEO say 28nm is going fine, 28nm is on track. Nvidia made a big hoohaa about 40nm being a problem and putting entire teams into making the 28nm transistion better and up till around 2 months ago Nvidia said 28nm was fine.

Then, all of a sudden its bad right before they put out a lowered revenue forecast and ONE source, backed up by no one randomly put this out there which every other analyst, and every other company producing 28nm chips disagree's with.

Nvidia, same problem with process, late, and yield problems that no one else has..... technically possible, sure, likely a BS excuse, almost certainly.


Anyway, as Dam0Tourettes says, this is more likely to be like AMD's first look at a 7970, in a box, not seen, but being told "its in there and its epic".

Real details of chips and real launches tend to be press fueled events, not public gaming type events. A little show, no tell usually.

 

[LeJosh]

I didn't say I believed him.