The Fury(X) Fiji Owners Thread

drunkenmaster · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:02

r7slayer said:
but isn't 4GB ONLY 4GB so we've been told after and after again? lol. Nice to see some memory compression at work though. I allways thought to my self that there could be some sort of memory optimisations as games seemed to use more memory than they should.

Ram is 'always on' stuff, it uses power if it's got data in it or not till it's turned off completely. It costs MORE in power and hurts performance to unload something from memory only to find out you need it and load it back in than it does to simply leave it in memory. Until you physically run out of memory and need to load something new there is literally not a single reason at all to remove data. Some people just don't seem to understand the difference between using and needing the memory. Volatile memory which is always on and uses power regardless SHOULD always use any spare memory as cache because there is zero performance penalty in doing so.

The more troubling thing is, 4GB cards had shown no performance drop in Shadow of Mordor as compared to 8/12GB cards before Fury came out, I linked to loads of reviews that showed say a ~35% gap between a 980 and a 980ti at 1440p high settings, 4k high settings and 4k ultra settings. Same in GTA 5, same in other games. Having only 4GB made no difference, the performance gap was within a percent or two across these supposed memory limits at 4k in the games that supposedly 'need' more than 4GB.

Again it's worth pointing out , GTA 4 consistently claimed it needed more memory than it actually used. You could enable settings that would tell you it needed more than 2GB, you only had 2GB yet performance was absolutely fine. We have a history of claims of these kinds from game devs which have basically every single time been inaccurate. But these two games come along in which no reviews show any difference but the games SAY they need more memory and certain people wouldn't hear anything else. Actual proof that there was no performance difference was entirely ignored over and over again.

2 years of 4 vs 8GB reviews showing fundamentally no difference be damned, these guys £200-300 extra on memory that cost £40-50 extra... thus these games must absolutely need this extra memory, right?

Phixsator · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:03

Mauller said:
If you look at the picture i posted, with the ringed and highlighted things. That has nothing to do with Encoding or movement artifacts. They are rendering issues in the game itself. As textures that should be obscured are visible.

You missing the point im afraid. The methodology for these comparrisons are completely off that is what im pointing my finger at. Not that the TX is doing less than desirable in the image quality department. If you want something to stick you have to do the testing and comparisson correctly and thoroughly from the start.

Boomstick777 · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:06

Took my Fury X out today and put in a GTX 960.

My PC just makes a gentle purr, no more irritating noise. Fury X is def going back.

Some info on returns:

AMD are saying this is not a fault, so your only chance to get replacement or refund will be within 14 days grace period depending on the retailer.

I.e in 6 months you couldn't ask for a replacement due to pump noise, as pump noise is not considered a fault. So if you are unhappy with the noise best to send it back now.

triss · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:07

LoadsaMoney said:
Hallocks take on the memory overclocking thats being reported.

Thanks for that , so basically memory will be locked i guess, well unless the hardware changes because new overclocking tools wont help

TonyTurbo78 · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:11

Boomstick777 said:
Took my Fury X out today and put in a GTX 960.

My PC just makes a gentle purr, no more irritating noise. Fury X is def going back.

Some info on returns:

AMD are saying this is not a fault, so your only chance to get replacement or refund will be within 14 days grace period depending on the retailer.

I.e in 6 months you couldn't ask for a replacement due to pump noise, as pump noise is not considered a fault. So if you are unhappy with the noise best to send it back now.

Quite clearly states AMD are taking RMA's for noisy FuryX as reported at Guru http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-fixes-r9-fury-x-whining-noises.html

elmarko · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:16

Yeay my EVGA 970 SC on 60% fan while loud is less annoying than the high frequency whine.

I'm sure AMD will accept RMA's (guru 3d down on above link atm) - but it would be nice for our resident rep to confirm <hint hint> instead of leaving everybody to speculate & cancel pre-orders.

Phixsator · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:16

Here are some screenshots straight from BF4 taken from the game itself including the options used ingame.

Link to imgur album.

Maybe im blind but it doesnt look like my 980ti suffers from the same bad case of poor image quality that is presented for the TX.

drunkenmaster · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:17

Phixsator said:
..OMFG.. you are comparing based on a still shot taken from a youtube video...Youtube that is known to have compression all over the place and to top it off the person in the clip is clearly moving which further ff's up the detail level. If you want to put this to rest capture 2 proper stills with the guy standing still and upload them somewhere in raw format.

This is not a defense against the claims about nvidia "LOD" tweaks or nerfs or what you want to call them. It is a shoutout to do the testing properly otherwise whatever you think you may find is invalid for the very start.

Others have said it but I'll say it also, regardless of video quality, textures missing in the video are missing because they weren't rendered and LOTS of very obvious comparisons CAN be made from a video regardless of the quality. Some things can't be compared as easily. But as I said previously, you can pick out how far away a lot of detail is shown on the Fury and how close you have to be before it appears on the Titan X.

Lack of AO(or remotely decent quality AO) is plain as day, a higher quality video won't add shadows in or take them out. Standing still more often would be helpful though there are points he was still like at the start which again highlight many of the differences, basically all negative for the Titan X.

Mauller said:
Max v2 also supports Asynchronous shaders since it can now use graphics and compute in parallel.

980 is Maxwell V2, only the, was it the 750ti was Maxwell V1.

D.P. said:
So is Fiji, just more stream processors, all the same GCN 1.2 architecture. In fact a lot more has changed in the Full GM200, different ROP counts, TMUs, geometry engines.

Fiji is just more stream processors but GM200 is a bigger change because it has more rops/tmu's as well? lol. Fiji has more rops and TMU's.

GM200/204 are fundamentally the same architecture just scaled up or down depending on your perspective.

HBM is one of the single biggest architecture changes in GPU's since going fully programmable shader model with DX10.

chroniclard · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:18

The only reason this is not a bigger fail is because hardly anyone can buy one. Imagine the levels of fury if they actually had any stock.

elmarko · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:20

chroniclard said:
The only reason this is not a bigger fail is because hardly anyone can buy one. Imagine the levels of fury if they actually had any stock.

Indeed, almost a saving grace!

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Seems the retailer I got my Fury-X from can't confirm if a potential replacement is a revision with a fixed pump or not (so it seems I'll be taking a refund). A shame as this puts me off in a month when stocks do return (how do you know if you will get getting a turkey or a revised card) - a full recall or stock for testing/upgrading of the first batch is pretty much the only thing which will make me buy a Fury X at this point now.

I don't have the patience to go through more RMA/resting cycles.

dave_beast · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:21

Phixsator said:
Here are some screenshots straight from BF4 taken from the game itself including the options used ingame.

Link to imgur album.

Maybe im blind but it doesnt look like my 980ti suffers from the same bad case of poor image quality that is presented for the TX.

Gregster in red team gimping exclusive

Gerard · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:21

Badum tish

arc@css · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:27

meldarthx said:
you can set that in raptr; mines set pageup+f key......it won't show in the videos but shows on screen

Ahh, I see. Thanks.

40Four · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:30

Phixsator said:
You missing the point im afraid. The methodology for these comparrisons are completely off that is what im pointing my finger at. Not that the TX is doing less than desirable in the image quality department. If you want something to stick you have to do the testing and comparisson correctly and thoroughly from the start.

This is exactly what i was saying earlier. The images posted are in no way any indicator to the image quality either card is capable of delivering. You need high res images and video to make a comparison.

Boomstick777 · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:31

TonyTurbo78 said:
Quite clearly states AMD are taking RMA's for noisy FuryX as reported at Guru http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-fixes-r9-fury-x-whining-noises.html

While they may be reporting that in that article you linked to.

In my specific case, (I can't comment on other Fury X owners) I was told by the retailer that AMD have told them they do not consider pump noise a fault, R:E not to accept RMA for fault based on pump noise. They have said the comments to reviewers are not an official statement regarding return for pump noise.

Was told my best option to use 14 day not satisfied and return now, as there is no way to be sure I could get replaced in the future due to pump noise.

It's important people know this so they can contact the retailer where they bought their own Fury X to see what their policy is.

arc@css · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:34

40Four said:
Lol. Everyone loves a good Gate.

Secret_Window · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:34

Regarding the Fury vs TX image quality argument, this has been something I've definitely noticed for years. Granted I don't own the latest gpu tech to really compare, but going by the comparison in this thread it seems eerily similar to what we've seen before from both AMD and Nvidia, where both camps will cheat through certain tweaks in the drivers, but it seems that they may be a little better at hiding it now, certainly with Nvidia.

In my opinion, I've always felt that AMD gives a crisper image. It has been one of the first things thats stood out to me just looking at the desktop after switching from an Nvidia gpu.

LoadsaMoney · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:37

Its IQ-Gate, Pump-Gate and Driver-gate in ere, what a cracking ******* owners thread

TonyTurbo78 · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:43

Boomstick777 said:
While they may be reporting that in that article you linked to.

In my specific case, (I can't comment on other Fury X owners) I was told by the retailer that AMD have told them they do not consider pump noise a fault, R:E not to accept RMA for fault based on pump noise. They have said the comments to reviewers are not an official statement regarding return for pump noise.

Was told my best option to use 14 day not satisfied and return now, as there is no way to be sure I could get replaced in the future due to pump noise.

It's important people know this so they can contact the retailer where they bought their own Fury X to see what their policy is.

hhhmmmmmmmmmm

So returning the product to OCUK within 14 days would warrant a full refund? none of this OCUK taking 25% product value for returning? Read that in this thread. I've got in touch with customer services today via forum to find out what the crack is, and mentioned about cancelling my pre-order if the cards coming on the 17/7 are still using the original pump.

Gerard · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:44

Dear Gerard,

Thank you for your e-mail regarding shipment xxxxxxxxxx. At the outset please allow me to apologise for the delayed response. At UPS, we aim to provide exemplary service at all times and it is regrettable that we been unable to do so in this case. We certainly appreciate the inconvenience caused by the delayed delivery and we continue to apologise for any difficulties that have resulted from this unforeseen event.

Unfortunately your package has suffered a 24 hour delay in delivery due to Channel Tunnel strike action.

Europe Transborder Standard packages to/from the United Kingdom will suffer delays due to the strike by Dock/Ferry workers with MyFerryLink, which started on Monday 29 June 2015.

This situation is out of UPS control and it is impacting to the entire ground transport sector. We are adjusting our plans to deliver these packages as quickly as possible.

Please continue to monitor, but we anticipate delivery on 03/07/15.

*sigh*

On the plus side my sapphire card is shipping today, just in time to get hit with these delays most likely.