The GTR is dead! Long live the cryptolambo!

NathWraith said:
I'm not buying one. I mean, I want to. But I won't. Not yet. I think.

I've got a nice Z4 sorry, Supra on the way and the C63 will do me just fine for now.
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Sell them both and get a Lambo.

"I drive a Lamborghini" sounds so much cooler than "I drive a BMW and a Toyota", regardless of model type/age/value :D

Saying that, I drive a Volvo, so what do I know :rolleyes:
 
Vita said:
@Gibbo how long before you buy a lambo. I’m getting a feeling you’re looking at them. ;)
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I am looking at many cars indeed. :D
I've driven a few more now and I still can't make my bloody mind up!

I thought driving a Huracan and GT3 back to back would seal the deal, Huracan it would be, but the GT3 was the better drive, but the Lambo more special.

Anyway SVR is paid off and owned outright as of this month, so I might put it up for sale soon but at a high price as my plan was to really wait things out and watch the market to get in at bottom but I would also like to know the new price of the Huracan EVO as if I could get into one of those for under 170k I might just make the stretch and do that as suspect its gonna be the last V10 NA motor from Lambo.

I am still yet to drive a 570S and 458 which are contenders.

GT3 - Love the drive, very easily affordable, 100-110k for a 991.1 or 140k for a 991.2, need to drive .1 and .2 back to back as driving the 991.1 GT3 and 991.1 GT3 RS back to back the RS did not give me any additional thrills behind the wheel, it just looked louder and had some additional torques. Cheap to run, cheap to service, cheap to warranty and very reliable, plus warranty covers everything. Great as a daily, RWD maybe an issue in wet but I'd switch Cup's out to PS4S anyway for road use.
Huracan - Also a thrilling drive, ITS A LAMBO!, probably need 140k to get the car I want, green/orange/yellow with passive dampers and without dynamic steering. Incredible emotions to look out, drive and the performance is mind blowing, under 6s to 100mph, mid 10s quarter mile and a true daily car been AWD and Audi build quality. However warranty may not cover everything, servicing cost of 2-3x more and extended warranties can be a bit eye watering. They could depreciate further with EVO announcement and Performante!
458 - Yet to drive, but I am sure it will be potentially the most thrilling of them all. Can get a nice one for 130k, solid residuals been last NA Ferrari. Not as expensive to service or warranty as you'd think, cheaper than Lambo, but the warranty is a bit rubbish, does not covers dampers, £5000 a pair and fail, does not cover clutch which is 20k, but should not fail, brake disc are 10k a pair. Its old car compared to rivals.
570S - Yet to drive, but the lightest at 1450kg, around 600HP, also the fastest once rolling, probably the most nimble and best handling too. Downsides are it sounds rubbish and the are losing money like a lead weight, they will be 80k in a few months I feel and they can be quite problematic and the quality is not that of the rivals, but potentially the best drive.


I've driven GT3 several times, a Huracan 580-2 and I still can't decide, going to drive a 610-4 and more GT3's. Shall also try 458 and 570S, probably going to sell my SVR around Summer most likely though I'll advertise it probably next month and then probably get into something when I get offered the right deal.

I expect to lose money on any purchase but I am not a millionaire so trying to limit the depreciation is important, 20k is no problem but losing 50k would hurt. I doubt any of the above would lose me 20k let alone 50k however as they've all lost quite a bit of value in recent months but I feel later this year will be an ideal time to buy and if I've got 100k in cash to put down, I can just finance another 30-60k to get into something really special and be able to easily pay it off no doubt after a year of ownership at which point would give me a 150k asset in a car.

I must admit I do keep eyeing Performante, but at 200k its too far, if they drop to 170-180k then I may just sell the M3 to get me into the Performante as its like the dream car and if I get one at 170-180k I don't see them going lower, probably back up after a 2-3yr as its a car I would just keep and sell a few years later.

Though idea of letting go of the M3 is a hard one, but the crazy thing is the thing cost more money to run than my other three cars combined its insane! The SVR cost nothing, been a new car and a service is £350 per year. The Aston has cost a bit, some issues but Aston sorted most of those and the Clio well I threw a few grand at it to do a total restoration and so it cost nothing to run.

I like hanging onto cars that is my problem, I love to properly learn them, experiment and find their limits, plus I use my cars, none are garage queens accept the Aston as its part owned with uncle, but he hardly drives it with it been a Summer only car, once weather warms up I shall bring it to OcUK, but it and the Clio will probably be never sold. The M3 I love it, but I've been offered mid 20's for it and well its a bit, but I've not folded yet. :)
 
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Fixed that for you.
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Funky-Melon said:
Sell them both and get a Lambo.

"I drive a Lamborghini" sounds so much cooler than "I drive a BMW and a Toyota", regardless of model type/age/value :D

Saying that, I drive a Volvo, so what do I know :rolleyes:
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I get it, but I don't own cars just to say what I own. All about the emotion for me, how does it make you feel.

Case in point, new Gen 2 R8 drives well but zero soul & draw for me.

Huracan, identical car for the most part but has the extra zing about it to make it "soulful".

I was offered a 15 plate LP-610 in grigio Lynx for £144K with 14K miles, 1 owner with the key options (forged carbon engine bay, mag suspension, front lift, sensors etc) but turned it down.

I think it's too early in my motoring career to go balls deep on one. Also it's a huge chunk of money in anyone's book.

Where do you go after that? Well peformante probably. :p

Plus the EVO has just been announced, so price drops incoming. Sub £130K will be a reality on earlier low spec cars.

Also @Gibbo please driven the Mclaren ffs :p
 
NathWraith said:
I get it, but I don't own cars just to say what I own. All about the emotion for me, how does it make you feel.

Case in point, new Gen 2 R8 drives well but zero soul & draw for me.

Huracan, identical car for the most part but has the extra zing about it to make it "soulful".

I was offered a 15 plate LP-610 in grigio Lynx for £144K with 14K miles, 1 owner with the key options (forged carbon engine bay, mag suspension, front lift, sensors etc) but turned it down.

I think it's too early in my motoring career to go balls deep on one. Also it's a huge chunk of money in anyone's book.

Where do you go after that? Well peformante probably. :p

Plus the EVO has just been announced, so price drops incoming. Sub £130K will be a reality on earlier low spec cars.

Also @Gibbo please driven the Mclaren ffs :p
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I will as you know I don't want to rush, I want to watch market, limit my losses and as I am potentially dropping 150k its has to be bloody right!
I am gonna speak with guys at Redline as they have 458's, 570S and Huracans in stock, plus they are taking in SVR's so could be a deal to be done and I can drive them all back to back.

Mclaren though I have to wait, we all know those are going under 100k real soon and are also the one that will depreciate the most, another 3-5 models out this years, over 200 570S used for sale, the prices are going down fast, so for me I'd want an MSO car and pay around 110k, currently 130-140k but I don't feel they are worth anywhere near that. Or get a 570S in right colour but not MSO and pay 85-95k at which point I can buy it outright own it and simply sell it when I am bored or never.

Yes I think Huracan with under 20k miles will be under 130k in a few months, only seeing 30k plus mile examples hitting 130's at moment and to be honest whatever I buy has to have under 20k miles, ideally under 10k unless I get a seriously good deal on a high mileage example and full warranty.

I am just waiting for weather to improve, no point in driving such cars on cold greasy roads when your not used to them, can't explore them properly.

But the Huracan has real special factor, but the GT3 I love the drive and like you I buy a car thats about the emotion for me, I don't give a flying doodar about the badge on it, hence my car ownership has been very mixed over the years.

I've spent most of this week in the Clio, so I have zero concern of what others think, its all how it feels for me. :)
 
NathWraith said:
I get it, but I don't own cars just to say what I own. All about the emotion for me, how does it make you feel.
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I completely understand where you're coming from, for me personally, the Lamborghini sells itself on emotion over anything else, as Kindai summed up in his first post, he could have probably got something faster, handles better, stops better etc for the money but IMO they all lack something a Lamborghini has, they sound like nothing else, look like nothing else, every time I've ever seen/been in one it's a real and grin moment.

Having said that, I've only ever driven them on track days and have nothing to compare them too and how I feel about them is how others must feel about Mclaren, Ferrari and the like.
 
Gibbo said:
I am looking at many cars indeed. :D

458 - Yet to drive, but I am sure it will be potentially the most thrilling of them all. Can get a nice one for 130k, solid residuals been last NA Ferrari. Not as expensive to service or warranty as you'd think, cheaper than Lambo, but the warranty is a bit rubbish, does not covers dampers, £5000 a pair and fail, does not cover clutch which is 20k, but should not fail, brake disc are 10k a pair. Its old car compared to rivals.
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I don't know if I am glad that I will likely never be in a position to own one of these or not.
How on gods earth is 20k for a clutch justified ?
or more to the point £10k for a pair of disks ?, they are just disks right ?
 
MassiveJim said:
I don't know if I am glad that I will likely never be in a position to own one of these or not.
How on gods earth is 20k for a clutch justified ?
or more to the point £10k for a pair of disks ?, they are just disks right ?
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20k is Ferrari fitted price, I am sure you could haggle them down to 15k, maybe 10k at a specialist.

The disc are ceramics, all car brands a ceramic disc is a minimum of £2500 per corner, but brands like Lambo and Ferrari like to charge double that.

If the car I get next has any issues with ceramics, I shall simply convert to 2PC steels, as that is possible on all the cars I was looking at, when you drive said cars on super car days you will notice they've all been converted to steels as ceramics can't withstand the abuse and de-laminated and as a Steel 2PC disc is circa £500 per corner its a lot cheaper than potentially £5000 per corner and braking performance is just as good if not better if you use an aggressive pad compound on the steel.

Main advantage of ceramics is smoothness, lack of noise (some do squeak) and zero dust.


But if buying a Ferrari you can request a clutch and disc life report, so if they are highly worn and they refuse to replace as part of the deal, simply walk away to find a car that has plenty of life left. Ferrari warranty generally only covers drive train, engine, gearbox, electronics etc. Clutch, dampers, brakes are not covered as all considered wear and tear. Something I've found out from researching and is why it makes sense to go in eyes open as these kind of cars cost thousands per year to run, a wife would probably cost less, in fact no definitely not. :D
 
Gibbo said:
20k is Ferrari fitted price, I am sure you could haggle them down to 15k, maybe 10k at a specialist.

The disc are ceramics, all car brands a ceramic disc is a minimum of £2500 per corner, but brands like Lambo and Ferrari like to charge double that.

If the car I get next has any issues with ceramics, I shall simply convert to 2PC steels, as that is possible on all the cars I was looking at, when you drive said cars on super car days you will notice they've all been converted to steels as ceramics can't withstand the abuse and de-laminated and as a Steel 2PC disc is circa £500 per corner its a lot cheaper than potentially £5000 per corner and braking performance is just as good if not better if you use an aggressive pad compound on the steel.

Main advantage of ceramics is smoothness, lack of noise (some do squeak) and zero dust.


But if buying a Ferrari you can request a clutch and disc life report, so if they are highly worn and they refuse to replace as part of the deal, simply walk away to find a car that has plenty of life left. Ferrari warranty generally only covers drive train, engine, gearbox, electronics etc. Clutch, dampers, brakes are not covered as all considered wear and tear. Something I've found out from researching and is why it makes sense to go in eyes open as these kind of cars cost thousands per year to run, a wife would probably cost less, in fact no definitely not. :D
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I'll pop in and pay you a visit for car buying advice if I ever win the lottery ;)

Can also confirm wife not cheaper, cost of wife (or GF in my case) is directly proportional to available income.
I actually have less money now than I did 5 years ago despite being on a better wage.
 
MassiveJim said:
I'll pop in and pay you a visit for car buying advice if I ever win the lottery ;)

Can also confirm wife not cheaper, cost of wife (or GF in my case) is directly proportional to available income.
I actually have less money now than I did 5 years ago despite being on a better wage.
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That is what the forum is for, I am heavily researching as its a lot of money, so needs be right.
I am only at GF status, wife status is years away or never, LOL, hope she don't read the forum, LOL, but she supports my car spending, so not all bad. :D
 
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