The GTR is dead! Long live the cryptolambo!
- Thread starter kindai
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Hey all!
So today was off to get the tracking sorted. Was slightly off but now all sorted.
Obviously, while in rome... dyno
And the results..
More than happy with that to be honest!
So today was off to get the tracking sorted. Was slightly off but now all sorted.
Obviously, while in rome... dyno
And the results..
More than happy with that to be honest!
Just my opinion but stuff like the Lambo is always going to be a more visceral experience - where the GTR truly comes into its own is way beyond anything sensible on the street.
Soldato
I got to do an experience day where I drove a GTR and a Gallardo, sadly they made me short shift, the graph confirms my suspicion that I only experienced half of what the Lambo is capable of, the GTR was probably a little better feeling in the low rpm due to the turbo, not sure it really is like that, just how it felt.
I didn't get many laps but they did let me go into the corners at what felt like full tilt, though I'm not used to the level of grip these cars have so I was probably not fully using their potential. Still a very fun day.
Are you going to change the wheel colour, any plans when? I think it will look much better.
I didn't get many laps but they did let me go into the corners at what felt like full tilt, though I'm not used to the level of grip these cars have so I was probably not fully using their potential. Still a very fun day.
Are you going to change the wheel colour, any plans when? I think it will look much better.
Last time I did an experience day honestly a hotlap in Assetto Corsa would be more of an experience hah
Last time I did an experience day honestly a hotlap in Assetto Corsa would be more of an experience hah
The UK days can be hit or miss, I am booking a 458, 570S and GT3 at Oulton Park to get a better feel for cars, its £105 in each for 6 miles, so I am going to do 12-18 miles in each so just shy of a grand but before I part with monies I shall explain what I expect.
In Vegas it was superb, I paid for 10 laps in each car and drove them full pelt, engine at maximum RPM, braking hard and late, even getting under/over steer in the car, the instructor even agreed to be quiet as he was confident I was fine, all they did not allow was turning off traction systems. It was incredible, I also did drifting and off roading, it cost a fortune, way more expensive than here in the UK but the experience was vastly better, touching around 140mph on the straight in the Huracan.
Should always be set with the rubber you intend to race on, albeit scrubbed in but they were scrubbed in as he'd already put around 500 miles on them.
I understand that approach, but I think its flawed. Aligning with the old tyres, which have been used and covered a good distance, aid the operator to visually see what and how the car has behaved and can tweak those settings accordingly. Putting fresh rubber on and driving next door to the alignment centre isn't going to give the full picture and could mask hidden issues. I recall a a 911 having alignment done which had a shifted subframe from a heavy front impact which had gone unnoticed. Alignment machine said it was pretty much fine (from a previous alignment), tyres (and the way it drove) suggested not.Should always be set with the rubber you intend to race on, albeit scrubbed in but they were scrubbed in as he'd already put around 500 miles on them.
Soldato
Last time I did an experience day honestly a hotlap in Assetto Corsa would be more of an experience hah
Last one I did was a few years ago near Leicester.
It was actually quite decent. The track wasn’t very technical and a simple layout but it was wide with some long straights so you could put the power down, and the instructor encouraged you to put your foot down.
Obviously you aren’t driving anywhere near the limits of these cars but it was good fun and far better than my previous experience of these driving days.
One on my to do list is a trip up to Anglesey track. It looks and sounds amazing from what I’ve seen.
The tyres though just like the wheel size, wheel spacers have very little impact on the settings you set on an alignment machine, toe, caster, camber and thrust angles etc.
I've been told differently as long as said tyres are not literally fitted five minutes before hand then its good to go.
Plus on Kindai's car his tyres were in a condition most people would normally never drive on, fronts old and heavily worn, rears near new, that is not normal and would have been bad to do alignment on, so the way he has done it is best. I am sure if he is really concerned he can get it re-checked in a thousand miles once tyres are truly bedded in.
An alignment and a full geo are different to be fair. Done right it needs corner weighting, ride height, camber and all sorts of things and is also personal and built over time. When you go to someone who is highly experienced, such as Chris Franklin you will get a well set up car that will reflect what you ask for. Good front end, good steering feel, sharpness, road/track bias etc. Both are good to have, the geo at the start, tweaked perhaps to get it where you want and then some alignment to ensure road use has not knocked it out, but typically they should be at the same place. I had my R8 done at Audi, it was better as it was out but still know a full Centre Gravity or other reputable setter up of cars could make the different.
I had my GT3 with a vicious track set up which on the road was really hard work, on track epic. @Gibbo drove it with that set up but few weeks after that I had it softened off as it was too hard for road and it was better, if still challenging. A set up is a personal thing, but you need a starting point and to work from that and ensuring it is aligned after new tyres is the right starting point. Now how it wears those tyres and as you get to learn the car will provide the best insights into how it performs and handles and what you might want to do next.
I love a really sharp nose for example, with understeer I struggle, with oversteer I am fine, but my preference is neutral but with a really aggressive front I can push in hard and late. Others prefer a totally different set up and for road use I just like a nicely damped and camber/bump resistant drive.
I had my GT3 with a vicious track set up which on the road was really hard work, on track epic. @Gibbo drove it with that set up but few weeks after that I had it softened off as it was too hard for road and it was better, if still challenging. A set up is a personal thing, but you need a starting point and to work from that and ensuring it is aligned after new tyres is the right starting point. Now how it wears those tyres and as you get to learn the car will provide the best insights into how it performs and handles and what you might want to do next.
I love a really sharp nose for example, with understeer I struggle, with oversteer I am fine, but my preference is neutral but with a really aggressive front I can push in hard and late. Others prefer a totally different set up and for road use I just like a nicely damped and camber/bump resistant drive.
Chris has also setup a few of my cars, guy is a total legend and one of best if not best in the trade really knows his stuff, especially Porsches. I've also used Spires who also come highly recommended, especially for BMW's and Jaguars, again also very good at what he does.
Yep, does the 991.1 and 991.2 GT3 come with full adjustable suspension do you know, like anti-roll bars, dampers etc. from factory?
Just asking so that if I did go GT3 it can be fully adjusted from factory?
Not an expert to be honest but with active damping and 4 wheels steer it will be more complex that my 996.
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@NathWraith I was sure You had enough adventures with Supra or Two 
Lambo is lambo End of. It's not fastest its not best handling.
But looks Epic in Any colour better than some Ferrari or Porshe.
Lambo is lambo End of. It's not fastest its not best handling.
But looks Epic in Any colour better than some Ferrari or Porshe.
@NathWraith I was sure You had enough adventures with Supra or Two
Lambo is lambo End of. It's not fastest its not best handling.
But looks Epic in Any colour better than some Ferrari or Porshe.
I think its fair to say on a looks and sound perspective Lamborghini are kings, unless you go properly exotic like Zonda etc. and are unreliable. Modern Lamborghini are Audi's and typically quite unreliable, though a warranty is a must, new Huracan's had 4yr factory warranty with an option for 5yr, so most early Huracans are coming out of warranty this year, hence prices falling, though you can extend said warranty with Lamborghini for around £3500-£5000 per year depending on mileage I believe.
Ferrari tend to be more a drivers car and also look incredible but I feel Lamborghini do looks better and as to sound Lamborghini are now miles ahead now that Ferrari are turbo charged, listening to the Huracan and 488 going flying past in the pit lane, the 488 sounded muffled and not great, the Porsches, Mustang's and Lamborghini's all sounded better by ten fold. A 458 however sounds pretty epic stock, and proper 2007 F1 car noise with an decent exhaust.
Mclaren look great, technically drive awesome but are not as reliable and sound poor in comparison, MSO exhaust helps somewhat but still not upto the others, but if you fit a de-cat and exhaust they start to sound pretty tasty, still not NA V10 tasty however!