Caporegime
That show was only looking at crime statistics in the 1 mile radius around the traveller sites as well. So if the travellers commit the crime outside of that it gets added to the "non-traveller" crime stats.
The gypsy problem
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But it does mean you're making that an option. Showing force that you won't use is a daft idea. You might try it once in an emergency, but making it routine policy is a daft idea.
Also, you're making no distinction between police and army. They're not the same thing.
I hear you. Obviously the 'stick' is there if the carrot is not accepted.
I also take the point about army/police. Ideally it'd be the police but like I said they don't have the resources with their current funding and the army has been deployed previously so it's not an entirely new idea.
I'm just spit-balling. I get frustrated with injustices on every level of society and just wish there was something we the people could do about it all.
(Don't get me started on airline companies, stock buy-backs, bonuses and bailouts!)
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Not a problem I have encountered, I don't have a pool
I assume some people are talking about the latest episode of Dispatches The Truth About Traveller Crime? Quite an eye opening episode, I didn't know the police were turning a blind eye to more extreme anti social behaviour which is very concerning.
That isn't a remotely proportionate deployment of military resources. It's a policing operation, it gets done by the police. We don't even deploy the army (overtly) when there are terrorists on the streets, you really think they're going to be sent in to a travellers' site because of some shotguns?
I've already typed the response to this comment many times in this thread already.
Indeed, which suggests you're still not understanding it so I thought I'd give it a try myself.
Whatever. I've already said I understand that viewpoint. Not in the mood for smarta**es today.
Repeating what's already been said isn't really contributing to the discussion, is it?
There was a scene in the documentary were a gypsy is squaring up to the police man.. threatening him.. the police guy should have either pulled out his tazer or truncheon and used it, then arrested him. Or if he thought things would escalate out of his control.. then fall back, call for back up and if they get threatened again, use force and arrest the lot of them.
A citizen is allowed to use reasonable violence if you think you're about to come under immediate physical attack. When the police back off then these types of people know they can get away with it. So what chance as a member of the public got when its happening to them?
A citizen is allowed to use reasonable violence if you think you're about to come under immediate physical attack. When the police back off then these types of people know they can get away with it. So what chance as a member of the public got when its happening to them?
Soldato
The police can't do **** these days. Even threatening to 'make something up' gets you all over the news. Can you imagine if the police went batons out against some traveller teens, they'd have every book thrown at them even if their lives were in danger. An officer was recently killed by travellers, that's what it took to raid a caravan park.
Good luck taking on a group of the "dodgy" travellers (a minority of the wider group).
They use their kids as weapons, safety in numbers, and will happily escalate a situation further than most "normal" people are willing to. They know it works and it's their trump card.
They use intimidation, fear and illicit tactics to outmanoeuvre the police who are totally under staffed to deal with a threat of that sort. Hence they just work to be enough of an inconvenience to get them to move on once the local community has had enough, and moving (which was always on the cards anyway) becomes their preferred option.
The police just want the problem moved so they can get back to normal police work.
I don't know what the solution is, and it's wrong that a whole community is tarred with the same brush, but it is a problem!
I have experience with a settled community living in my village, my kids go to school with their kids. They can be a bit rough around the edges and have some very different ideals, but that's no crime!
Sadly I have also dealt with the other kind, and it's never been a pleasant experience.
They use their kids as weapons, safety in numbers, and will happily escalate a situation further than most "normal" people are willing to. They know it works and it's their trump card.
They use intimidation, fear and illicit tactics to outmanoeuvre the police who are totally under staffed to deal with a threat of that sort. Hence they just work to be enough of an inconvenience to get them to move on once the local community has had enough, and moving (which was always on the cards anyway) becomes their preferred option.
The police just want the problem moved so they can get back to normal police work.
I don't know what the solution is, and it's wrong that a whole community is tarred with the same brush, but it is a problem!
I have experience with a settled community living in my village, my kids go to school with their kids. They can be a bit rough around the edges and have some very different ideals, but that's no crime!
Sadly I have also dealt with the other kind, and it's never been a pleasant experience.
Maybe not quite needing the army involved, but what about expanding the use of TSG groups within the police.
even the rowdiest groups of travellers would likely balk at the thought of taking on a serial
expand that thinking to not just travellers but any groups causing or likely to cause a public nuisance be it feral youths travellers or whatever comes up. Make it as overt as possible and let the 99% of decent law abiding people get on with their life’s in safety and peace
even the rowdiest groups of travellers would likely balk at the thought of taking on a serial
expand that thinking to not just travellers but any groups causing or likely to cause a public nuisance be it feral youths travellers or whatever comes up. Make it as overt as possible and let the 99% of decent law abiding people get on with their life’s in safety and peace
Caporegime
They should send the unemployed and jobshy into camps and use them to execute each other.
Caporegime
Couldn't make this up - literally just had 3 of them turn up at the house next door to us (it's currently empty as it was getting a full renovation) and start taking away all of the building materials that are outside!
Soldato
Are you just spectating or have you rung the police?!
Caporegime
Called the police. Car and flatbed on false plates. 2 in the car, 3 in the van. Rocked up started loading patio slabs, window lintels and kerb stones on to the flatbed.