The gypsy problem

Well, while agreeing there are certainly issues with travellers camps and a lot of the carry on, the thread title is a bit... uncomfortable? I mean, replace Gypsy there with Jew, or Black or whatever.

They're white British/Irish people who choose to live in caravans tbh...

Some don't cause any trouble and live in legit, authorised encampments... you'll perhaps not even know they are travellers if you meet them. Aside from perhaps if they're running a circus etc.. In fact in some cases they don't really travel much. They're just British/Irish people who live in caravans (or in some cases don't even do that, have settled but identify as/are descended from "travellers").

The trouble makers on the other hand make themselves known very rapidly after moving into an area, camping illegally and causing a mini crime wave, a load of disturbances and eventually leaving a big mess once they've departed. Those are the people being discussed in this thread - gangs of criminals. I don't think gangs of criminals should really be afforded any protected status.
 
As much as I'd love to think that in-roads could be made into effective policing of the traveler community, I don't think there is one politician with the stones to actually do anything about it. Well, not unless they turn up on THEIR doorstep.
I have to say with some of the more prominent rightwingers in this thread Im surprised you all didnt know what the Tories had planned for the 'gypsies'.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/12/12/gypsies-travellers-boris-roma-crackdown-conservative-tory/
One of the most polarizing issues of the United Kingdom’s 2019 general election has been the pervasiveness of racism in the country’s major parties. A recent report found Islamophobia to be endemic in the Conservative Party, whilst the Labour Party has faced repeated allegations of anti-Semitism.

But one long-standing and ugly form of bigotry has been completely overlooked, despite being literally written into the Conservative manifesto: anti-ziganism. Prejudice against those labeled as Gypsies, Roma, and Travellers is one of the most widespread forms of racism in the U.K., and one stoked over the last decades not only by the Conservative Party but also by its main media supporters.

Following an announcement in November by Home Secretary Priti Patel, the manifesto sets out plans to give police more powers to “arrest and seize the property and vehicles of trespassers who set up unauthorised encampments, in order to protect our communities.” This might look like a legal measure, but, read in context, it is part of a long history of criminalization of Travellers.

The proposed laws would allow police to seize the homes of Gypsy, Roma, and Traveller people by force and to destroy their property without compensation.

The proposal also says Travellers can be banned from the local authority area for up to a year, cutting off access to support for homelessness—which often requires someone to have been a resident in the area for a length of time—leaving many in fear of having to live on the streets.

Although anti-Traveller racism is pervasive across British society, it seems to be a particular problem for Conservative politicians. In 2018, Mike Bird, a Conservative Party council chief in the West Midlands, branded Travellers “parasites” who cause “misery and mayhem” on a live radio show, while in 2014 another was suspended from the party after suggesting that Travellers refusing eviction should be “executed.” Other Conservative politicians have warned that Travellers would “stick a knife in you as soon as look at you” or defecate on the streets, while another, who was responsible for overseeing policies on local Traveller sites, emailed colleagues with a mocked-up road sign that read “**** off gypos.”

Members of Parliament have been just as vicious. Former Conservative MP Gary Streeter referred to Travellers as “intruders,” comparing the groups to Genghis Khan. Earlier this year, Tory MP Paul Beresford called the communities a “disease.”

In 2017, a Conservative Party councilor was suspended for tweeting, “thanks Ireland. You can keep your ******* gypsies! Hard border coming folks!” after the British Eurovision song failed to get a vote of support from the country.

No. Because jews, blacks or whatevers are useful functioning parts of society and have individual a-holes amongst them.
Careful there youll have your friends turning on you with talk like that. 'Useful functioning parts of society' indeed.
 
The dedicated sites and those who use them aren't usually the problem. It's the ones that rock up in a farmer's field or Sainsbury's* car park.



*It's never a Tesco or ASDA. It seems even ****** have standards!

The number of police action programs I've seen in which the thieves are chased back to permanent gypsy sites and then the residents protect them by hiding them and harassing the police indicates (to me anyway) that permanent sites are just as bad.
 
I saw a documentary about the problems people face with the traveling community in the UK.

First of all let me preface this by saying not ALL gypsies, just the bad ones and apparently that's about 10-15% that cause all the problems for everyone.

Now it seems this has been going on for ages and the police are ill equipped and understaffed to deal with the situation, often scared to even enter sites.

The trouble makers are harassing, extorting, stealing, violent and armed.

So there's me, sat there in the old ivory tower, trying to think of a solution.

I'd send in armed military to the site in question, 300 men deep as a show of force and say:

"This is gonna stop, it can't continue like this and we won't allow it. You are going to have to find a different way of life because your behaviour is not acceptable in our community. We're not going to violate your rights as travelers however if offences don't stop you'll be moved out of this county.
You'll then be given two weeks probation at your new site, if it carries on there you'll be moved on again.
You get 5 strikes then you're deported."

Why should we put up with the disgusting behaviour of a few?

Ok, you can tear this apart now...

;)

You made the (incorrect) assumption that gypsies and travellers are the same thing. They aren't.
 
I have to say with some of the more prominent rightwingers in this thread Im surprised you all didnt know what the Tories had planned for the 'gypsies'.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/12/12/gypsies-travellers-boris-roma-crackdown-conservative-tory/

Careful there youll have your friends turning on you with talk like that. 'Useful functioning parts of society' indeed.

I don't remember reading that. The Conservatives are in danger of elevating themselves from their position of 'least worst' to 'alright actually' with that kind of talk.
 
The number of police action programs I've seen in which the thieves are chased back to permanent gypsy sites and then the residents protect them by hiding them and harassing the police indicates (to me anyway) that permanent sites are just as bad.
Well you do live in Bristol... very lefty liberal and "vegan capital" of the UK... :p
They wouldn't try that here, because everyone knows where the camps are and our locals have more shotguns!

But do steam-roll the pemanent ones too, if it makes you feel better.
 
the last time i had to call them first of all they refused to come out even though a mass brawl had just happened involving 10-15 people.

they when they eventually turned up 3-4 hours later were given the whereabout of the main culprit and they never searched the property. fair enough they need a warrant but i'm sure they could have done something.

they then failed to follow it up when the culprits parents got back from holiday without several calls from myself. they then eventually changed their minds and got a new crime reference to state vandalism as the damage caused by them rather than something else minor it had originally been recorded as.

Meanwhile the last time I had to call them (last Thursday) at 3am because a male was trying to break into one of the shops on my street, there were 2 response cars, an unmarked and a van out in minutes, and came and took a statement afterwards. Happy days.

As for being the "best paid" by any measurement, hilarious. Scotland's pay is at least less-poor than E&W these days but either way, it's not a job you go into for the money.
 
Careful there youll have your friends turning on you with talk like that. 'Useful functioning parts of society' indeed.
So painful reading the nonsense from the usual suspects.

Normal person: Expresses legitimate concerns about certain aspects of certain cultures or religions.
Usual suspects: "WHY DO YOU HATE ALL BLACKS AND GAYS AND JEWS AND MUSLIMS AND WHEN WILL YOU STOP BEATING YOUR WIFE?"

It's akin to putting broken glass in your eyes.
 
Well, while agreeing there are certainly issues with travellers camps and a lot of the carry on, the thread title is a bit... uncomfortable? I mean, replace Gypsy there with Jew, or Black or whatever.

It's a disgusting attitude and the fact that thread title is deemed appropriate speaks volumes. It's very dangerous to dehumanise people in that way.

This police representative has the courage to speak out.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/01/end-the-prejudice-against-travellers-police-chief?
 
“There is no evidence to suggest we have a disproportionately high crime rate around Traveller sites,” - That's contrary to evidence displayed on C4s recent Dispatches: The Truth About Traveller Crime. The show drew many complaints, probably from the Traveller community mostly, as the title is inappropriate and tars everyone with the same brush. That said the two settled families I know are nowt but trouble. One of their kids threatened to decapitate me a few weeks ago. :D
 
I used to deal with travellers a lot when I worked in a hotel with a bar and they would come in groups, get drunk was past closing refuse to leave and then go without paying for food, they would repeatedly do that until barred then come and sexually pray on the female staff on their way home by hanging out at the train station, throw rocks through the windows and attack the male members of staff. Some would camp in the carpark and **** in the bushes, smash glasses across the car park.
Everyone round here knows the family names and is terrified of meeting them or upsetting them and the police are extremely adverse to dealing with them for anything. Even when they do, you get targeted for getting them in trouble.
They are not a race, they are nasty (some) with some kind of immunity that I don't understand.
 
Do you know why the Irish travellers are in the U.K.? Because trespass is a criminal offence in Ireland.

I spent a lot of time working in Ireland. I can safely say they absolutely hate them over there
With a passion. However they don't, unlike us, pussyfoot around them. The gardai get things done.
 
I spent a lot of time working in Ireland. I can safely say they absolutely hate them over there
With a passion. However they don't, unlike us, pussyfoot around them. The gardai get things done.
Yeah you dont mess with the gardai, whereas here the police tend not to mess with the travellers unless they really have to.
They can run riot because they know the UK is a soft touch, and they take full advantage of that.
 
I thought liberal minded Guardian readers did their research and checked out who was saying what, and are not blindly led by articles that might support their liberal views, but on dissection prove to have worrying undertones?

It appears her colleagues in the Cheshire Police have a view of the deputy chief constable of "The College of Policing" (a big fall from acting Chief Constable of the Cheshire Police Force, what happened there? See later...) that claim she is criminal in herself... And what exactly is a deputy chief constable, not of a regional police force, but a "college"? Is it a sap to some disciplinary action that retains her pay and pension? Surely not...

Sounds to me like a trumped up, grandiose title for an alleged dodgy piece of work. It's perhaps no surprise she cites support for an element of society steeped in accusations and convictions of serious criminality.


https://cheshirepolice.org/janette-mccormick/

https://cheshirepolice.org/two-faces-of-janette-mccormick/


Maybe the fact that under McCormick the Cheshire Police Force allowed this to occur is why she was demoted from her role as acting Chief Constable of the Cheshire Police Force, to a quango job in a training college? <LOL>

"Cheshire Police chiefs have changed their vetting process for new recruits following the fall out from the Ian Naude case.

Naude, 30, joined the force in 2017 and went on to rape a 13-year-old girl while based in Crewe.

He was found guilty of 38 offences in total, and it emerged the rape and sexual assault took place despite investigations by neighbouring forces Staffordshire Police and West Mercia Police for other alleged sexual offences.

Cheshire’s Acting Chief Constable Janette McCormick said their vetting process of Naude was cleared by the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC)."

They sure look after their own, don't they?

And the Guardianista casually throw "ill read", "ill educated£, "blinded by prejudice", "won't dig deep and find the facts" about.... ;) A bit like the Guardian editorial team?
 
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