The gypsy problem

FortuitousFluke · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:22

Dis86 said:
Can you point to any other group that exists in a community like they do, completely outside of the standards of ordinary society that is responsible for as much criminality and lawlessness?

Probably not, possibly some organised crime groups i suppose, I'm not going to do the research, is that relevant to the argument around militarising the police and deporting them?

Dis86 · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:22

FortuitousFluke said:
Probably not, possibly some organised crime groups i suppose, I'm not going to do the research, is that relevant to the argument around militarising the police and deporting them?

Unique problem. Unique solution.

Stretch · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:24

We have a number of traveller sites locally. If they left I don’t think they’d be missed. This is fairly typical of the goings on...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ce-recover-horde-stolen-caravans-18115368.amp

Last Christmas a large group overstayed on a park and ride site. The local Tesco was hell. Every night the (extra) security would have to challenge them, and every time they would get very aggressive.

FortuitousFluke · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:25

Dis86 said:
Unique problem. Unique solution.

Ah, well if we have a buzzword for it then crack on old chap! I don't see the problem as being so unique as to require this particular response. You'd arguably get similar levels of antipathy towards the police in some housing estates with similar results.

[FnG]magnolia · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:26

Dis86 · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:27

FortuitousFluke said:
I don't see the problem as being so unique as to require this particular response.

Then perhaps that's your shortsightedness?

FortuitousFluke · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:30

Dis86 said:
Then perhaps that's your shortsightedness?

Could be, I mean it isn't, but it could be.

Dis86 · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:33

FortuitousFluke said:
Could be, I mean it isn't, but it could be.

Only fools are certain of themselves.

SonicSW20 · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:33

Deposits left on the road outside the local ***** camp:

Nothing to do with them I'm sure. :rolleyes:

FortuitousFluke · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:34

Dis86 said:
Only fools are certain of themselves.

Are you certain of that? It sounds like you are.

LCG-xyz · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:36

FortuitousFluke said:
Well get the soldiers to do the arrest paperwork. Efficiencies! Have you trolled yourself out yet? It's just I'm replying on a phone and my thumbs are getting tired.

It's sad that you see it as trolling. I followed your train of thought and I'd hopefully led you to see that what I'm suggesting is not only viable but a pretty fair course of action given the constraints on both sides of the equation.

None of this is going to happen, we're just shooting the breeze. Feel free to disengage at anytime if your fingers are tired.

FortuitousFluke · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:40

LCG-xyz said:
It's sad that you see it as trolling. I followed your train of thought and I'd hopefully led you to see that what I'm suggesting is not only viable but a pretty fair course of action given the constraints on both sides of the equation.

None of this is going to happen, we're just shooting the breeze. Feel free to disengage at anytime if your fingers are tired.

An excellent idea, I suspect we are too far apart on this particular subject to find a middle ground, not that we should feel compelled to do so really. I've enjoyed the conversation though, another 30 mins of lockdown defeated!

Dis86 · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:41

FortuitousFluke said:
Are you certain of that? It sounds like you are.

No. But fairly confident.

LCG-xyz · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:45

FortuitousFluke said:
An excellent idea, I suspect we are too far apart on this particular subject to find a middle ground, not that we should feel compelled to do so really. I've enjoyed the conversation though, another 30 mins of lockdown defeated!

I think it boils down to:
Do people who habitually break the law, who are violent and who have a severe impact on other people's lives and communities without repercussion have equal rights to equal treatment when the treatment has been proven not to work?

That's kind of the core of it isn't it?

I'm normally quite a left leaning idealist (if I had to put a title on it) but I'm guessing this is quite a right-leaning viewpoint?

visibleman · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:48

LCG-xyz said:
All the money goes on the military who are doing nothing.

Got any sources to back that up, especially the bit around funds being diverted away from police services/forces to the military which you seem to be suggesting?

LCG-xyz said:
...armed military..

If said travelers didn't comply, would you then start executing on site? Or is it purely a faux show of force?
As there's plenty of history of the former happening elsewhere, governments sending in their military to control population; usually result in wars though.

Semple · 23 Apr 2020 at 21:56

I would take the approach of crushing their caravans just like an uninsured drivers vehicle.

LCG-xyz · 23 Apr 2020 at 22:17

visibleman said:
Got any sources to back that up, especially the bit around funds being diverted away from police services/forces to the military which you seem to be suggesting?

If said travelers didn't comply, would you then start executing on site? Or is it purely a faux show of force?
As there's plenty of history of the former happening elsewhere, governments sending in their military to control population; usually result in wars though.

Well please tell me where our tax money is going because it's not going into the NHS or the police or the fire service or schools or mental health or disability benefits or any other service that benefits the public. Every one of those sectors has faced cutback after cutback.

Where is the money going?

stockhausen · 23 Apr 2020 at 22:40

LCG-xyz said:
I saw a documentary . . .

Where do you live that you face these dreadful problems - or was it just on some "documentary"?

FortuitousFluke said:
. . . militarising the police and deporting them?

What have the Police done that they deserve to be armed and then deported?

StriderX · 23 Apr 2020 at 23:52

Is this the same as The Jewish Problem?

Was Hitler right when he put the gypsies in with them (also includes homosexuals, black people, disabled people, Slavic folks, POWs and so forth)?

If the answer is not no, then why not you just do it yourself...

The_Abyss · 23 Apr 2020 at 23:56

LCG-xyz said:
Well please tell me where our tax money is going because it's not going into the NHS or the police or the fire service or schools or mental health or disability benefits or any other service that benefits the public. Every one of those sectors has faced cutback after cutback.

Where is the money going?

The money goes exactly where it should be going, but there just isn't enough of it as the UK's tax burden, despite what the nation has been conditioned to believe, is chronically low.

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14256

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