The gypsy problem

FoxEye said:
So painful reading the nonsense from the usual suspects.

Normal person: Expresses legitimate concerns about certain aspects of certain cultures or religions.
Usual suspects: "WHY DO YOU HATE ALL BLACKS AND GAYS AND JEWS AND MUSLIMS AND WHEN WILL YOU STOP BEATING YOUR WIFE?"

It's akin to putting broken glass in your eyes.
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Don't engage.
 
Uther said:
Yeah you dont mess with the gardai, whereas here the police tend not to mess with the travellers unless they really have to.
They can run riot because they know the UK is a soft touch, and they take full advantage of that.
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Are all travellers bad people?
 
I think they started off as victims. Years ago people were thrown out of society and had to fend for themselves, maybe they commited a crime or were accused of something or had some mental disorder like autism . You can imagine the villagers casting them out. The only means of survival was to sell metals. So it's a long history of ostracisation. Add in some inbreeding and that's the final product.
 
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They are hated in europe also, although there are just traditional gypsies that are kind and carry on the countries traditions and music, mostly they are ***** though. My wife comes from Hungary and the gypsies there have their own villages made out of scraps of everything and broken houses, not caravan sites. they do the same as here, Rob and intimidate the near by town and its folk and never get into trouble with the police who are scared to go to these towns.

They also gain a property, a house or a flat and bring their huge families to live there, intimidate the neighbours en masse until they move away from the area. They then bring in the other families and take over the small town /block of flats and turn it into a dump, again never visited by police.
My wife's neice ran away from home to be with a gypsy boy at 16, it tore the entire family apart and when she got pregnant and he cast her aside she came home because he constantly beat her.
They then proceeded to poison the families huge Hungarian bear dogs (kept to protect the house from gypsy's) that they had kept for many years and killed them.....
 
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jsmoke said:
I think they started off as victims. Years ago people were thrown out of society years and had to fend for themselves, maybe they commited a crime or were accused of something or had some mental disorder like autism . You can imagine the villagers casting them out. The only means of survival was to sell metals. So it's a long history of ostracisation. Add in some inbreeding and that's the final product.
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Are you talking about, 'The hills have eyes' or about people who simply do not want to love a normal life through glorified dreams of being a traveller?
 
Illuminist said:
They are hated in europe also, although there are just traditional gypsies that are kind and carry on the countries traditions and music, mostly they are ***** though. My wife comes from Hungary and the gypsies there have their own villages made out of scraps of everything and broken houses, not caravan sites. they do the same as here, Rob and intimidate the near by town and its folk and never get into trouble with the police who are scared to go to these towns.

They also gain a property, a house or a flat and bring their huge families to live there, intimidate the neighbours en masse until they move away from the area. They then bring in the other families and take over the small town /block of flats and turn it into a dump, again never visited by police.
My wife's neice ran away from home to be with a gypsy boy at 16, it tore the entire family apart and when she got pregnant and he cast her aside she came home because he constantly beat her.
They then proceeded to poison the families huge Hungarian bear dogs (kept to protect the house from gypsy's) that they had kept for many years and killed them.....
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I hear similar things from people in Romania and other Eastern block regions. They have a reputation because they have earned it. It's basically a criminal cult.
 
We got our summer begging gypsy visitors here, enjoying the Clement weather, living in their trailers and dumping their trash all over the forest.

Begging and swindling naïve Swedish old age pensioners. They'll be gone again in early winter to live it up 8ver winter and spring.

Parasitic scum. That force their women to beg whilst they sit in bars drinking and organising what area to next scope out to rob.

Change my mind?
 
The Running Man said:
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Are you talking about, 'The hills have eyes' or about people who simply do not want to love a normal life through glorified dreams of being a traveller?
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I'm saying that the travellers have been cut off from other people and influences for so long that parts of their brains don't operate anymore. They can't help their behaviour and it's all they know. They are essentially living pre magna carta in that there are no rules only survival so they are outwith the laws of the land basically. The world is their oyster and anything that gets in their way is just an inconvenience.

They had a 'Tinker experiment' in Scotland I don't think it work out.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-51545113

They are essentially aboriginals or native Indians in that it's deeply in their DNA and mindset and you won't change it without say torture.
 
Nasher said:
I hear similar things from people in Romania and other Eastern block regions. They have a reputation because they have earned it. It's basically a criminal cult.
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Exactly that, like a primordial mafia
Efour said:
We got our summer begging gypsy visitors here, enjoying the Clement weather, living in their trailers and dumping their trash all over the forest.

Begging and swindling naïve Swedish old age pensioners. They'll be gone again in early winter to live it up 8ver winter and spring.

Parasitic scum. That force their women to beg whilst they sit in bars drinking and organising what area to next scope out to rob.

Change my mind?
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Sounds about right
jsmoke said:
I'm saying that the travellers have been cut off from other people and influences for so long that parts of their brains don't operate anymore. They can't help their behaviour and it's all they know. They are essentially living pre magna carta in that there are no rules only survival so they are outwith the laws of the land basically. The world is their oyster and anything that gets in their way is just an inconvenience.

They had a 'Tinker experiment' in Scotland I don't think it work out.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-51545113

They are essentially aboriginals or native Indians in that it's deeply in their DNA and mindset and you won't change it without say torture.
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They know what they are doing, they think we are scum though
 
StriderX said:
Are all travellers bad people?
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I'm sure there's probably some nice ones.The young horsedrawn ones who sit on verges carving wooden ornaments to sell seem nice enough, the caravan lot that recently encamped in a local uni's sports grounds and trashed the place leaving piles of crap and a big clean up bill, not so much.
 
Chris Wilson said:
...Irrelevant character assassination...
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None of that drivel that you copy/pasted & masqueraded as your own independent investigation is relevant to the subject being discussed. It's incredibly lazy and downright nasty to focus on a character assassination, with absolutely no attempt to refute the points made by the individual in question. It's a Daily Star type tabloid level approach. Normally I would say, "you're better than that", but in truth you clearly aren't.

Is this blind hatred and refusal to make any attempt to understand the contributory factors just symptomatic of the quintessential English xenophobe? Is this a cultural issue for the English, or is this automated natural hatred of people who are different just a genetic trait that the Englishman is cursed to carry for life?

Consider the actual topic being discussed, the seemingly majority attitude toward the Traveling Community, and the parallel with the rhetoric within the second paragraph above.

I'd like to think you'd get it eventually, but you most probably won't.
 
Dirk Diggler said:
None of that drivel that you copy/pasted & masqueraded as your own independent investigation is relevant to the subject being discussed. It's incredibly lazy and downright nasty to focus on a character assassination, with absolutely no attempt to refute the points made by the individual in question. It's a Daily Star type tabloid level approach. Normally I would say, "you're better than that", but in truth you clearly aren't.

Is this blind hatred and refusal to make any attempt to understand the contributory factors just symptomatic of the quintessential English xenophobe? Is this a cultural issue for the English, or is this automated natural hatred of people who are different just a genetic trait that the Englishman is cursed to carry for life?

Consider the actual topic being discussed, the seemingly majority attitude toward the Traveling Community, and the parallel with the rhetoric within the second paragraph above.

I'd like to think you'd get it eventually, but you most probably won't.
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I have never hidden my xenophobia, and a healthy suspicion of travellers is not something I feel any need to be ashamed of. Go to a gypsy site and hug some, if it makes you feel warm and cosy, but be careful, the ones around here are plagued with the virus because they again felt above the law and had a mass gathering the police felt unable to break up, because, well, because of elements like McCormick in their hierarchy. I get the situation with "the travelling community" alright, as do many in here <LOL>

As for copy and pasting, the quotation marks make the text clearly not my own.
 
StriderX said:
Are all travellers bad people?
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The people who rock up and set up camp illegally, leave all their trash and burnt out vehicles when they move on, leave human excrement everywhere, nick everything in a 5 mile radius, cause property damage, intimidate the locals, yadda yadda.

Anyone involved with them is probably a "bad person", yes.
 
StriderX said:
Are all travellers bad people?
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The ones who took over the local football pitch (in a public park) Thursday to Saturday were - the parish council were amazing in moving them away within 72h, but they trashed the place, left loads of litter and broken glass everywhere. The park has had to be temporarily closed. At least one local resident went to clear up himself as he was worried people would not realise it and would let them dogs loose in the park. There are a few other traveller groups being reported around Winchester as well this weekend. Coincidence, or not, a lot more people have reported missing dogs too this weekend. The local Nextdoor app neighbourhoold group is so much busier than usual.

Around 200 of them have also taken over a section of carrieageway near Dummer in Basingstoke to race horses. It is reported the police cannot do anything other than redirect traffic as they don't have enough manpower to stop them.

I've never met any and wanted to keep an open mind but they are hardly painting themselves as good people.
 
Gypsies or Travellers? Because they're not the same thing. Romany gypsies are a centuries old group of rootless people that scratched a living doing various things and often despised, Travellers are just benefits scroungers who would rather live in a caravan than a house so at least when they pile up their crap they can move on and leave it and not have to live in it everyday.
 
Dirk Diggler said:
None of that drivel that you copy/pasted & masqueraded as your own independent investigation is relevant to the subject being discussed. It's incredibly lazy and downright nasty to focus on a character assassination, with absolutely no attempt to refute the points made by the individual in question. It's a Daily Star type tabloid level approach. Normally I would say, "you're better than that", but in truth you clearly aren't.

Is this blind hatred and refusal to make any attempt to understand the contributory factors just symptomatic of the quintessential English xenophobe? Is this a cultural issue for the English, or is this automated natural hatred of people who are different just a genetic trait that the Englishman is cursed to carry for life?

Consider the actual topic being discussed, the seemingly majority attitude toward the Traveling Community, and the parallel with the rhetoric within the second paragraph above.

I'd like to think you'd get it eventually, but you most probably won't.
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One would assume you would have had lots of first hand experience and interactions with the traveling community,or someone living in a bubble preaching virtues
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So painting gypsies as all being criminals is bad but painting all English as xenophobic is fine?
 
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