The Indoor Riding/ Zwift/ TrainerRoad etc. Thread

I suspect you're right, a lot seems to hinge on race quality. I guess longer term the new ZRS scoring will sort itself out, but initially there may be a lot of racers in inappropriate pens and inadvertently messing up events.
Something I read suggested that it's only the Zracing series that are now being scored for the new ZRS, so as a change from keeping a robopacer company this morning, I had a go at stage 1 of this month's 'beach party' series. Only about 5 cat A's signed up, 3 of us turned up in the pen which dropped to 2 before the start, and then I was the only one to actually set off so it turned into an unscored lonely time trial workout. If all the Zracing opportunities around 8am are all as 'dead' then I can't see my score changing in a hurry (not that it bothers me as I'm not that into the racing).
p.s. well done for the result and Alpe time.
Thank you. I think a really important issue is when you do your races. If you are not racing at a key time when there are good numbers, you will race low numbers and overall your quality will be poor.

From my experience C is the most full class in every race, with B and D a little behind. Aside from big zwift events, A is always low attendance at the times I’m on.
 
Thank you. I think a really important issue is when you do your races. If you are not racing at a key time when there are good numbers, you will race low numbers and overall your quality will be poor.

From my experience C is the most full class in every race, with B and D a little behind. Aside from big zwift events, A is always low attendance at the times I’m on.
Yeah, absolutely, and it's not just the ZwiftPower race ranking that suffers with a small field - the ZRacing monthly series are based on cumulative finish times (not position) so larger fields with more strong riders will have a big advantage. I had a go at the Race Scotland series back in February, and the events around 1700 seemed the busiest and fastest.
 
The new Zwift Racing Score "ranking" metric... What a dog's dinner! :cry:

@Roady What do you make of your Racing Score of ~693?

I'm ~652, looks like 3rd in pen D, I'm nothing like third strongest D rider; I do the Zwift Insider Tiny Races because I love the format and I have severe fatigue issues even racing continuously for ~25mins; plus I think they've horribly skewed my figure by using my pen A results to avoid the "no sniping" rule in Tiny Races after technology issues.
It is totally a dogs dinner and as the rest of you are seeing - completely unbalanced. Have to admit I've not read up enough on it and even got close to understanding it. I'm still trying to get my head around zMAP and zFTP! I'm so out of date...!

Quite happy with my 693, but know I generally do race 'busy' series and generally the competitive races. But also with current CE putting me back down in C pen, I can secure pretty convincing wins there when there's smaller fields split by Zwift's categories... So I'm the 2 extremes I suppose - busy and competitive races, generally not using Zwift CE so don't rank, then the ranked races I'll generally be riding at not a busy time, so just pick something I like the course of either to be smashing the front of C, or as an iTT type effort.

But the ranking might work out better - there's no way I'm a 'Cat C' by the classic ranking systems that CE's zMAP puts me info. A category determined by ranking I'll probably be better fitted - like the DiRT series using the Zwiftraceing.app (DRS ranking) which finished and the FRR World Order series I'm dipping in & out of - which is ranked from my NP in previous FRR events. Both are more accurate for me to have competitive racing than zMAP CE and ZRS at the moment.

I'd seen a lot of talk about riders amassing a huge amount of score from Tiny Races, so that even goes the other way - boosting score with short multiple efforts and results. Then you enter a ranked longer race vs other riders who are not as well ranked, but are better than you, and due to your high score you 'bomb' them with points due to the differential when they beat you?! So they get ranked up and you get an easier race win next week in the same series...

Some of the top competitive Zwifters and teams already using this tactic to lower ranks of competitors, or maybe even themselves to race in lower ranked categories for bigger 'points' wins!? Really don't understand it totally. But the having some ranked races, vs others ignored seems to just screw up the matching and competitiveness of racing even more. Also highly unlikely they'll do anything about it until ZRL is close to starting and it becomes a complete clusterfudge.

Whilst i know the easy answer here is to go and try it :p

Would a disc braked wheel physically fit on a rim brake frame? I've a disc rim with a slight cracked rim i'm debating using for the indoor turbo (wheel on), however unsure if it'd fit. Don't plan on actually using brakes for it.
Depends on your frame and depends on your wheel... Really helpful that! ;)

Think Steve has you mostly covered, but a Road rim brake wheel is generally a 130mm hub. Early disk QR wheels where 135mm hubs, so they did the same and would fit - but then Thru Axle came out and the first hubs where 135 but the lugs too big to fit into a QR, then thru axle standard generally changed to 142mm for more clearance (some edge cases like my Diverge in the middle at 137mm with SCS lol). BUT many 'off the shelf' wheels came with axle endcaps so you could convert the wheel between 130/135 QR, 135 TA and 142 TA. If you have one of those wheels and the right endcaps, you *should* be able to get the disc wheel to fit a rim frame.

But unless it's a wheel from a known manufacturer bought as a wheelset and not from an off the shelf bike, it's likely you don't have the endcaps or may struggle to get them.

I've a rim wheel if you trawling for some - have a couple of complete Giant alloy wheelsets, 1 of which I serviced & cleaned to sell and I never listed. Like these. Maybe I should sell them, last time I looked they where not selling for £20 so not worth the hassle lol :D
 
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Cheers, realistically i imagine postage becomes an issue. I had a set of PR2's on my old bike. Seemed a fine wheel. £85 seems pricey for a set, although £20 also seems too cheap! I think i picked them up for around £50 unused.

I wouldn't mind a front wheel too as when i last got the bike serviced the guy said the front hub was a bit of a mess and causing squeeking. Wouldn't mind a change just to trial and see if it makes a difference.

Main issue being i go and buy some new rims, then need inners/tyres and then need a cassette too. All for a bike i'm supposed to be selling and all so i can stick it on a wheel on turbo (that i would need to buy), all just so i can ride the odd occasion it's raining.

It makes much more sense to just only ride outside and then run/weights when it rains.
 
Yeah £50 probably more accurate price - I found the Giant PR2 generally buckled easily and went out of true several times so I replaced them when the bearings started to go. At the time bought Campagnolo Khamsin G3's and paid a little over £100 for them. Considering the Giant wheels came on a £900 top of the range alu frame (Defy 1 2015) at the time, I was pretty surprised although the cheap Campags came out around the same weight, they rode so much firmer/stiffly, felt faster and generally totally bombproof. A far better wheel than the PR2! :cry:

Yup just 'getting some wheels' - the wheels almost end up being the cheapest part of the whole equation!

Get a wheel off trainer. Should be peak second hand market time to pick one up as the sun is in the sky...! You avoid needing 2 rear wheels then and only need 1 front...
 
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Yeah £50 probably more accurate price - I found the Giant PR2 generally buckled easily and went out of true several times so I replaced them when the bearings started to go. At the time bought Campagnolo Khamsin G3's and paid a little over £100 for them. Considering the Giant wheels came on a £900 top of the range alu frame (Defy 1 2015) at the time, I was pretty surprised although the cheap Campags came out around the same weight, they rode so much firmer/stiffly, felt faster and generally totally bombproof. A far better wheel than the PR2! :cry:

Yup just 'getting some wheels' - the wheels almost end up being the cheapest part of the whole equation!

Get a wheel off trainer. Should be peak second hand market time to pick one up as the sun is in the sky...! You avoid needing 2 rear wheels then and only need 1 front...

I had a Wahoo Kickr and sold it 2 weeks ago :p

In the aim of downsizing everything for Spain, however now thinking it was a mistake and i should've held off and sold it closer to leaving date. Would've likely for more in October/November time too!
 
First time on Zwift in ages and did a race.

Thought it was downtown dolphin but didn’t look properly and it was the Glasgow crit circuit. It’s probably better/harder than dolphin with more of a hill. Not as long:steep as Innsbruck but still a challenge, do you smash high watts for a short time or slightly less watts for a longer time…

Anyway, all good fun, a different workout to riding on the road. 7 laps was just enough: couldn’t get a split/gap up the hill and then I was slightly over geared and couldn’t wind the sprint up.
 
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Anyone else watch cycling videos while they are Zwifting? I was watching a Safa Brian one (bad idea) and in one of the clips the guy he was following slipped out on a corner. Nearly gave me a heart attack :p

Apparently my lizard brain can't watch someone cycling while I am cycling without confusing the two.

I also struggled to keep my cadence where I wanted it when they were going for it in the video. Very easily influenced :p
 
Anyone else watch cycling videos while they are Zwifting? I was watching a Safa Brian one (bad idea) and in one of the clips the guy he was following slipped out on a corner. Nearly gave me a heart attack :p

Apparently my lizard brain can't watch someone cycling while I am cycling without confusing the two.

I also struggled to keep my cadence where I wanted it when they were going for it in the video. Very easily influenced :p

I love the Wahoo ones when they are in sync. Really puts you in the mood when effort levels are representative.

On a different note, the ones where the video speeds up or slows down based on your effort are not good. Going through those slalom gates on a cycle path 10 times faster then the video speed due to doing an anaerobic effort was not what I wanted to see and almost fell off my bike!
 
Getting back into Zwift the last few weeks. Working towards my tron bike (another 17km to go)

Feeling fat (89KG last night) and lethargic at the moment and feel like I have zero power in my legs - I'm loving parent-hood. Felt in a bit of rut yesterday as since starting my new job riding is tricky to fit in and because the only food without driving is a Greggs so I tend to eat either nothing most days or instant noodles. Signed back up to Huel and will start trying to do the FTP Builder in the mornings before work.
 
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Getting back into Zwift the last few weeks. Working towards my tron bike (another 17km to go)

Feeling fat (89KG last night) and lethargic at the moment and feel like I have zero power in my legs - I'm loving parent-hood. Felt in a bit of rut yesterday as since starting my new job riding is tricky to fit in and because the only food without driving is a Greggs so I tend to eat either nothing most days or instant noodles. Signed back up to Huel and will start trying to do the FTP Builder in the mornings before work.

Being a parent is brilliant but not if you want to have specific goals training wise. I think with one it would be OK most of the time but with 2 its seemingly impossible.

I am still managing to get out once a week on the bike and then probably 1 zwift session as well. Just about maintaining an OK level of fitness but nothing more. **** weather is meaning I don't mind too much though.

I'm lucky that I work from home so diet isn't an issue and I am a bit anal about not putting on weight as it kills both hobbies I do. Climbing massively so.
 
Being a parent is brilliant but not if you want to have specific goals training wise. I think with one it would be OK most of the time but with 2 its seemingly impossible.

I am still managing to get out once a week on the bike and then probably 1 zwift session as well. Just about maintaining an OK level of fitness but nothing more. **** weather is meaning I don't mind too much though.

I'm lucky that I work from home so diet isn't an issue and I am a bit anal about not putting on weight as it kills both hobbies I do. Climbing massively so.
I almost tagged you cause I'm finding it hard with one let alone you with twins!

The last few weeks I've done nothing but on the weekends I've been trying to do rides with at least 1000m elevation. But it's not really a long term solution as I need to do bits throughout the week as I don't count walking the dog as exercise.

Well this job should be 50/50 office/home but I'm spending a lot more time in the office until I get my feet under the desk and hire a subordinate so that I can go to 50:50. But until then I think If I can start having huel to replace breakfast and lunch again (never going 100% huel again. I did that for 2 weeks a few years back and I missed chewing far too much :cry:) bI should hopefully feel OK to hop on the bike on those evenings. But then the issue is our daughter goes to bed at 7 so then having a shower and all that after runs the risk of waking her.

My issue with weight is all my own doing. I have/had a relatively fast metabolism so I can lose weight fairly quickly with a bit of determination. However my biggest enemy is also my fondness of the devils lettuce. Doesn't matter how much exercise I'm doing if I'm doing my best Indiana Jones impression and raiding the fridge and cupboards at night. And full fat milk. I love FF milk a little too much.

Sorry. I'm waffling and ranting just cause I feel a bit fed up at the moment. Why don't you rub your Di2 in my face to make me jealous and do retail therapy :cry:
 
Sorry. I'm waffling and ranting just cause I feel a bit fed up at the moment. Why don't you rub your Di2 in my face to make me jealous and do retail therapy :cry:

Oh I forgot about my di2, its very nice :p

Battery lasts ages when you don't get to ride as well!
 
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Does anyone take part in ZRL? I’ve seen the next series starts in September and wondered what the competition is like.

At 286W (3.6w/kg) it would be B category, but are there teams that would take a mid-low B? I clearly won’t be a contender to win races or top 10 through segments. Is it still worth doing? I just imagine the groups are heavily biased towards those just below (naturally or intentionally) the upper power limits.
 
Been training pretty consistently lately, bodyweight down to 87kg. Seeing some much better Zwift results to no real surprise. Took 7 minutes off my Alpe time at the weekend to 68 minutes (while a little hungover) and increased my FTP after a race last night - Stage 2 Race the worlds, came 8th in cat C, 4 seconds behind the winner. Ave 271w / 3.1 w/kg which I am very pleased with, I think its the first time I've been above 3. Looking forward to destroying my mates when I get back onto the road when the weather picks up :D

I find in my Cat C races I start at the front of the group and can stay there, unless there are some serious hills. However as you feel the intensity going up and the group about to break Im at 100% just keeping up with them leading into the final 300m or so. I was actually 3rd in a small group of three with 300 to go. Ended up finishing 9th but noticed one lad had no HRM so ZP has booted him. I had the highest average power output too, 50w more than the winner :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, welcome to the life of the bigger online racer. You will almost always have power higher than 80% of the others, but any incline means you get booted out the back... You're a reasonable bit lighter than me though, so maybe you have a better chance. Is there much room to drop any more weight, or are you at target?
 
Not a lot. Had a full six pack at 85kg when I went to Bali in June. Must have left it there mind as it didn't come back with me!
 
Got my Zwift Hub trainer being delivered today - certainly seemed better value than the alternatives and handy they come with a cassette preinstalled. Just gotta clear the space in the spare room that I didn’t get to at the weekend now!
 
Thank god for zwift in the dire summer we are having.

Was going to start a training plan yesterday but glad I didn't. Even just the hilly loop killed me and I thought it would be an easy right.

Going to catch up on Secret Invasion tonight and try and stick in zone2 for a hour or 2
 
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