The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - As a PC gamer, am I missing something?

I have done that. I did it with the ps3. I had a 360, and I went years really wanting to play metal gear solid 4, but never bought one. Then when GTA V came out, I finally got one and played metal gear, gta, Last of Us and Demon Souls.
I have come incredibly close to getting a PS4 recently as I really want to play Bloodborne(and thats about it tbh), but haven't pulled the trigger yet(plus atm it isn't really feasible for me).

Atm, ps4 would take priority if I did get a console. It would be great if you could just pop down a shop and hire a console!
Hiring would probably cost the same and then you would be rushed. With the buying route you just buy as cheap as you can 2nd hand and sell same price, in some cases make a profit. Though p&p always eats any small profit that is made mind. Done it so many times successfully :)

Right now i could easily sell my switch, Zelda and pro controller and break even or be very close. But I really like my Switch so i am keeping it :D
 
How can people get nintendo games running on the PC via emulators but no one has managed to get PS 4 games running via some emulator??? Surely would PS games not be easier to get working on the PC than nintendo?
 
It's not that simple, PS4 is a lot more powerful than the WiiU. Proper emulation requires hardware a couple of times more powerful than the emulated platform and takes a lot of work.

We still haven't got a proper PS3 emu, PS4 is out of the question for many years to come.

Even Breath of Wild currently runs at like 15fps with drops on hardware along the lines of 4770k/390. Imagine trying to run Uncharted 4 or Horizon;p
 
Yeah, it seems a bit counter-intuitive but it has a lot to do with the way consoles work. Devs design the games on PCs but the target platform is fixed in terms of hardware so they overcome the biggest hurdle there is already at the start.

The ram management is different, the OS is less of a resource-hog, there are no people running W7 or W10, people with Titans/top-notch CPUs and people running older hardware.

That's why console games look a lot better than you'd think given the measly specs.
It doesn't translate too well to PCs.

I just caved in a bought a PS4. There are too many great games already out and upcoming to miss out on.
IMO, nothing on PCs can touch the fun factor of e.g. Yakuza 0 (nor is there even something similar on PC) and then there's stuff like Horizon, Uncharted, Days Gone, Gravity Rush, Detroit, The Last of Us (in the top 3 best games I've played and perhaps the best experience and definitely the best realised story), new God of War, Infamous etc.

I get multiplatforms on PC obviously.

I'd really love to play Zelda but I don't want an another console, I just couldn't justify it financially because I don't game that much anymore.

Hoping for that emu to catch up;p
 
Yeah, it seems a bit counter-intuitive but it has a lot to do with the way consoles work. Devs design the games on PCs but the target platform is fixed in terms of hardware so they overcome the biggest hurdle there is already at the start.

The ram management is different, the OS is less of a resource-hog, there are no people running W7 or W10, people with Titans/top-notch CPUs and people running older hardware.

That's why console games look a lot better than you'd think given the measly specs.
It doesn't translate too well to PCs.

I just caved in a bought a PS4. There are too many great games already out and upcoming to miss out on.
IMO, nothing on PCs can touch the fun factor of e.g. Yakuza 0 (nor is there even something similar on PC) and then there's stuff like Horizon, Uncharted, Days Gone, Gravity Rush, Detroit, The Last of Us (in the top 3 best games I've played and perhaps the best experience and definitely the best realised story), new God of War, Infamous etc.

I get multiplatforms on PC obviously.

I'd really love to play Zelda but I don't want an another console, I just couldn't justify it financially because I don't game that much anymore.

Hoping for that emu to catch up;p
Yeah, I would love to play again in the future with 30fps or more at 4K. But god knows how long that is going to take.
 
Given the amount of variables that change from pc to pc it's not going to be any time soon. No sooner than 5years I'd say and even then it will be in extremely buggy.
 
Yeah, it seems a bit counter-intuitive but it has a lot to do with the way consoles work. Devs design the games on PCs but the target platform is fixed in terms of hardware so they overcome the biggest hurdle there is already at the start.

The ram management is different, the OS is less of a resource-hog, there are no people running W7 or W10, people with Titans/top-notch CPUs and people running older hardware.

That's why console games look a lot better than you'd think given the measly specs.
It doesn't translate too well to PCs.

I just caved in a bought a PS4. There are too many great games already out and upcoming to miss out on.
IMO, nothing on PCs can touch the fun factor of e.g. Yakuza 0 (nor is there even something similar on PC) and then there's stuff like Horizon, Uncharted, Days Gone, Gravity Rush, Detroit, The Last of Us (in the top 3 best games I've played and perhaps the best experience and definitely the best realised story), new God of War, Infamous etc.

I get multiplatforms on PC obviously.

I'd really love to play Zelda but I don't want an another console, I just couldn't justify it financially because I don't game that much anymore.

Hoping for that emu to catch up;p
All very true.

Still, it all just seems a bit weird that some genius hasn't been able to get it working well yet :p

And yeah I'm waiting for a good bundle deal on the ps 4 pro with 2 free games for £300. Tired of PC gaming in general now i.e. **** optimisation, bugs etc. on release day/week, graphics barely being any better than the consoles (well for the PS 4 pro anyway), PC market becoming too expensive overall and it is just becoming milk central for the "enthusiasts", I don't play enough games now to justify the cost and of course as you said, all the stunning exclusives the PS 4 gets.
 
All very true.

Still, it all just seems a bit weird that some genius hasn't been able to get it working well yet :p

And yeah I'm waiting for a good bundle deal on the ps 4 pro with 2 free games for £300. Tired of PC gaming in general now i.e. **** optimisation, bugs etc. on release day/week, graphics barely being any better than the consoles (well for the PS 4 pro anyway), PC market becoming too expensive overall and it is just becoming milk central for the "enthusiasts", I don't play enough games now to justify the cost and of course as you said, all the stunning exclusives the PS 4 gets.
Way I see that is, just stay 12 months or so behind the bleeding edge. Get 1070 class gpu, learn to understand you actually do not always benefit from maxing every slider and having every check box ticked and you will find you can play with more fps on pc with better controlls and better graphics than a console. Buy games 6 months after release for half the price or less with it all patched up and with better drivers.

The only downside is if you want to play a game day one then yes, bugs wise console might be superior.

What I like about PC is, every game I ever buy on steam I can play whenever I want. But with a console they come and go and unless you keep them all and the games which will be space consume it and not to mention expensive.

PC gaming is actually same if not cheaper for me than console and I get to keep the games :)
 
Way I see that is, just stay 12 months or so behind the bleeding edge. Get 1070 class gpu, learn to understand you actually do not always benefit from maxing every slider and having every check box ticked and you will find you can play with more fps on pc with better controlls and better graphics than a console. Buy games 6 months after release for half the price or less with it all patched ups need with better drivers.

The only downside is if you want to play a game day one then yes, bugs wise console might be superior.

What I like about PC is, every game I ever buy on steam I can play whenever I want. But with a console they come and go and unless you keep them all and the games which will be space consume it and not to mention expensive.

PC gaming is actually same if not cheaper for me than console and I get to keep the games :)
Oh I do, I am more than happy to drop from ultra to high since there is virtually no difference a lot of the time :p :o

Looking at digital foundry comparison videos, only a few games look considerably better on the PC now, most of the time, the only real noticeable difference between PC and PS 4 pro are shadows I find. I miss the days where PC games were drastically better looking than the consoles and the extra cost was more justifiable then.

I also go through a lot of faff to ensure I get the best smoothness experience with regards to different vsync methods i.e. borderless vs full screen, triple buffering on/off, maxgpubufferedframe in the config files, fps cap at 60 or 59 etc. (g or free sync will negate the need to do all of this but I won't be buying into that until the PC gaming market improves i.e. AMD get their **** together for vega, I refuse to buy closed in tech. aka gsync)

It is games like ghost recon wildlands that just makes me question why bother with PC... That game is just laughable for optimisation, on my pc, I had to drop every single setting to low/off just to be able to even hit 50 fps, needless to say the game was butt ugly... And by the looks of it, even people with beastly setups are having to reduce settings to get acceptable performance yet there are tons of open world games that run amazingly well on high/ultra settings i.e. witcher 3, fallout 4, gta 5, division etc.

And then you have releases like batman AK and deus ex, utter trash on release day/week/month, missing graphical effects for the PC etc.

That is what I have been pretty much doing the past year now for the **** games, just waiting until they get patched up but generally by the time that happens, I won't have any desire to play the game then :p

I don't like the 30 fps lock for consoles but thankfully they are smooth/stutter free, with PC gaming even at a constant 50FPS, it just doesn't feel/look as smooth, at least on non g/free sync displays anyway. I imagine this is down to console having their own methods for low frame latency, vsync etc. + things like motion blur etc. to help mask any stuttering that there is.

But yes, PC gaming still has some nice advantages, main thing being cheaper games + more options/tweaks/mod user base to fix/improve the game as well as extra additions like 21.9 etc.
 
For me, theres just no point to buying a console, it would simply sit unused. My main genre of gaming is the large scale multiplayer and for that PC gaming is just a much better fit than consoles for me.
 
For me, theres just no point to buying a console, it would simply sit unused. My main genre of gaming is the large scale multiplayer and for that PC gaming is just a much better fit than consoles for me.
Yup for MP gaming, I would still stick with PC, especially FPS shooters.
 
Way I see that is, just stay 12 months or so behind the bleeding edge. Get 1070 class gpu, learn to understand you actually do not always benefit from maxing every slider and having every check box ticked and you will find you can play with more fps on pc with better controlls and better graphics than a console. Buy games 6 months after release for half the price or less with it all patched up and with better drivers.

The only downside is if you want to play a game day one then yes, bugs wise console might be superior.

What I like about PC is, every game I ever buy on steam I can play whenever I want. But with a console they come and go and unless you keep them all and the games which will be space consume it and not to mention expensive.

PC gaming is actually same if not cheaper for me than console and I get to keep the games :)


Totally agree, that's exactly what I do. I had sold my 970 and bought a 1070 a couple of months before i grabbed a PS4. Even though, just like Nexus, I'm tired of all the crap that's going on with PC gaming and games indeed looking barely better than on Ps4 Pro, I kept the rig for games like Forza Horizon 3 that's still great fun and for multiplatforms. I don't have to play on day one, I'm happy to wait and I usually manage to find a good deal. PS4 eats most of my gaming time anyways;p That's a good tactic, I think. Also, a big no to preorders in any way, shape or form;p

I also like Steam, but I find it nice that I can actually resell console games if I'm absolutely sure I won't play them ever again. Then again, I have games on my account I'm sure I'll revisit someday, like MGS V and Fallout 4 which I haven't yet finished.


Regarding emulation, I think they'll manage to get Zelda right moderately soon as it's a big title and they're probably putting quite a lot of effort into it. They're just 15fps off target;p
 
Regarding emulation, I think they'll manage to get Zelda right moderately soon as it's a big title and they're probably putting quite a lot of effort into it. They're just 15fps off target;p

I'm all for the emulation of old games but I consider emulating a game that has literally just come out a bit of a dick move.
 
I don't like the 30 fps lock for consoles but thankfully they are smooth/stutter free, with PC gaming even at a constant 50FPS, it just doesn't feel/look as smooth, at least on non g/free sync displays anyway. I imagine this is down to console having their own methods for low frame latency, vsync etc. + things like motion blur etc. to help mask any stuttering that there is.

So harsh on the PC :D

They seem mostly smooth and stutter free due to largely being locked at 30 fps in demanding games and due to the gamepad. Due to 30fps being half the refresh rate of most displays, the frame stays on screen for two refreshes. A PC game won't seem as smooth on a none gsync/freesync display at something like 45-60fps at 60hz, as 60 doesn't divide by 45-59 equally and it's this variance in the frames that gives you the less smooth feeling - some frames are staying on longer than others. Ignore this problem, and it's smoother on the PC. This issue is just as much of a problem in some ways as low frame rate itself. It's for this reason that console games will either run at 60fps or 30fps and sometimes use clever techniques to go up in fps with a poorer image to reach 60, or down in fps for 30 fixed with a better image as 60 isn't workable. Most of the time (virtually always) if your pc is capable of 40-55fps and you lock to 30fps, it will always seem smoother than a console game at 30fps providing you use a gamepad. It will never seem as smooth using a mouse. Motion blur simply masks console games dipping below 30/60 fps.

Gsync/Freesync eliminates the above problem but doesn't remedy the feeling of low frame rate like some think it does. 50fps still feels like 50fps with movement, it's just it is smoothed out without tear. The problem with a decent graphics card and one of these monitors at 120hz+ with 60fps-120fps is that anything less feels like a juddery mess, slideshow or both. My setup (and it's far from top end) has made horizon zero dawn on a standard ps4 feel unplayable.

As for Zelda, very tempted. Actually had a switch on order but bottled it today and cancelled. I'll probably wait to see how mass effect is first.
 
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I'm an older gamer too, and was intrigued by this game.
Took the plunge and bought the Switch and the game, and I have to say its excellent.
Not too sure about the perfect scores though, what game is? but there is so much depth to this game, its fun, rewarding, and a blast to play.
 
So harsh on the PC :D

They seem mostly smooth and stutter free due to largely being locked at 30 fps in demanding games and due to the gamepad. Due to 30fps being half the refresh rate of most displays, the frame stays on screen for two refreshes. A PC game won't seem as smooth on a none gsync/freesync display at something like 45-60fps at 60hz, as 60 doesn't divide by 45-59 equally and it's this variance in the frames that gives you the less smooth feeling - some frames are staying on longer than others. Ignore this problem, and it's smoother on the PC. This issue is just as much of a problem in some ways as low frame rate itself. It's for this reason that console games will either run at 60fps or 30fps and sometimes use clever techniques to go up in fps with a poorer image to reach 60, or down in fps for 30 fixed with a better image as 60 isn't workable. Most of the time (virtually always) if your pc is capable of 40-55fps and you lock to 30fps, it will always seem smoother than a console game at 30fps providing you use a gamepad. It will never seem as smooth using a mouse. Motion blur simply masks console games dipping below 30/60 fps.

Gsync/Freesync eliminates the above problem but doesn't remedy the feeling of low frame rate like some think it does. 50fps still feels like 50fps with movement, it's just it is smoothed out without tear. The problem with a decent graphics card and one of these monitors at 120hz+ with 60fps-120fps is that anything less feels like a juddery mess, slideshow or both. My setup (and it's far from top end) has made horizon zero dawn on a standard ps4 feel unplayable.

You must have a hell of a setup then, since I'm running an OC 1070/4790k and in most games it's a challenge to reach 60fps/1440p at decent settings;p If you have something more powerful then it's not exactly "far from top end";p

And the problems with frame pacing you mention can't be ignored for us without G-sync simply because it feels way worse than locked 30fps.

Never really understood the concept that 30fps feels unplayable after you experience 60fps or more. Well, it does. For about 15 minutes. Then your eyes/brain adjust and it doesn't feel bad at all.

I guess it depends on what you play or maybe I'm just not that fussy. G-sync is not for me though, most panels are expensive and have crap specs. I much prefer a 60hz panel with great contrast and colours.
 
This Zelda is the most awsome gaming experience I have ever had. It may not be 1080P and 60 FPS but the graphics quality/animation and attention to detail is far supperior than everything else including W3 and HZD.
The atmosphere is magically good. Likewise the gameplay.
The sound and music is first class.

To me its a clear 10/10 and better then almost all PC games I have played.
 
I like how Jim Sterling dared not liking the game exactly as much as the rest, gave it an above average rating 7/10, so of course insecure people are writing him lovely stuff like "Drink bleach, you fat ugly ****"
 
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