The Liverpool Club Thread. **No Spoilers**
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I've seen this debate on twitter. In what other industry would it be ok to tell an employee not to go to a family members wedding just in case they get sick and can't go into work? I'm not saying it was fine for him to go to the wedding but it's not as straight forward as people make it out to be.
I suspect not. Players contracts will have conditions that prevent them from doing any activities that seriously risk their physical health - skiing, riding a motor bike etc. Does that stretch to going to a family members wedding during a pandemic? I very much doubt it.
Yes, that one. Liverpool can ask him not to go but they cannot force him, just like your employer couldn't tell you what you can and can't do in your free time, providing you're not breaking any laws.
We're also jumping to the assumption that he was told he couldn't go too. I wouldn't be massively shocked if he was given permission. Klopp has shown a very human side when dealing with players and I know circumstances are different however he previously allowed Salah & Mane to travel to Africa for the African Player of the Year awards the day before a game and last season allowed VVD time off from training to meet the Dutch Royal family. This is part of the reason why players want to play for him.
Unless there was a legal requirement for him to do so, in whatever country he is, then they wouldn't. I don't know where Salah was and what the laws are there though.
edit: I've just read your post again. Are you saying he tested positive before the wedding? I assumed he has just tested positive and these images were from before the test.
First part, because even footballers have human rights. It's shocking I know because they're not human, are they? I'd be stunned if legally there was anything the club could do to prevent him from going to the wedding, even if they hadn't given their blessing. All this assumes that there were no laws around gatherings and mask wearing where he was.Probably yes? I'm not sure why it wouldn't
Bit of a difference between giving your player time off training and letting them go to a wedding with people packed in like sardines and no masks during the middle of a pandemic.
And yes, I know there's a difference hence why I said that
The point I was making is that Klopp has previously shown a willingness to allow players time off for special ocassions, even if it disadvantaged the team. I would not be shocked if Salah had asked him and he was given permission to go to the wedding.Ok, your initial post read that he went to a wedding with covid. I absolutely agree with you on that last point about the club would have, at the very least, told him if he goes to take extra precautions etc. However from a legal point of view, unless he's broken any specific terms of his contract or the law, there's very little the club can do. Again, I have no idea what the guidelines are in the country Salah was in though. Was wearing a mask indoors a requirement? If so then the club could fine him without any issue however if Salah hasn't broken any laws, he could challenge any fine he was given and win.
It had been reported some weeks back that he was very sick.Kuyt was to Pigeon what Honda was to you Tombstone.
I'm not sure I agree about Klopp wanting him though. Kuyt may have been capable of playing our high energy pressing game but that's just a prerequisite to play in attack for Klopp. Our forwards are technically far better than Kuyt was and particularly in the wide positions, you've got to have a real ruthless streak. It was interesting listening to Klopp talk about this in regards to Harvey Elliott in pre-season - he was talking about how well he'd played and how he was a playmaker at heart but how he also needs to develop into more of a striker at times too.
I'm not sure I agree about Klopp wanting him though. Kuyt may have been capable of playing our high energy pressing game but that's just a prerequisite to play in attack for Klopp. Our forwards are technically far better than Kuyt was and particularly in the wide positions, you've got to have a real ruthless streak. It was interesting listening to Klopp talk about this in regards to Harvey Elliott in pre-season - he was talking about how well he'd played and how he was a playmaker at heart but how he also needs to develop into more of a striker at times too.
A few snippets of news. Klopp confirmed in his press-conference today that Thiago is still a few weeks away from returning :/ Seemingly the injury was worse than first thought although I wonder if he suffered some sort of setback as he was pictured training over a month ago now. Slightly better news, Trent has started individual training outside so fingers crossed he should be back for the weekend.
James Pearce is reporting that the club will submit plans for the expansion of the Anfield Road stand later this week with a decision to be made in Spring next year. The club aren't confirming a timescale at the moment due to the current circumstances but if all goes to plan then they should be able to begin work later next year and be ready to open for the start of the 23/24 season.
And in slightly older news. We moved into our new training ground at the last international break and our training kit deal with AXA has been expanded to include naming rights for that. No idea of the value though.
James Pearce is reporting that the club will submit plans for the expansion of the Anfield Road stand later this week with a decision to be made in Spring next year. The club aren't confirming a timescale at the moment due to the current circumstances but if all goes to plan then they should be able to begin work later next year and be ready to open for the start of the 23/24 season.
And in slightly older news. We moved into our new training ground at the last international break and our training kit deal with AXA has been expanded to include naming rights for that. No idea of the value though.
He wasn't trying to prove a point, he was trying to win a match which seems to have been forgotten about in all the debates around 5 subs.
We had next to no options on the bench that would have improved our side or given us something different to help us win the game and even from a fitness point of view, look at the options we had on the bench and which first 11 players needed resting. The front 3, Jones and Trent didn't need resting - they've all had periods out, either enforced or otherwise and our front 3 are proven to be highly durable. Putting Origi or Miniamino on neither solved any fitness issues we had nor improved the side. Had we been 3-0 up then no problem, give Mane 30 mins off but with the game in the balance you don't weaken your side for a marginal fitness gain.
The players that need resting are Hendo, Gini, Fabinho & Robertson but we had little or no options on the bench to rest them. Neither Ox or Keita are going to play holding roles in midfield and both are no where near fully fit - Ox has only just returned to full training having been out since last season and Keita missed the weekend game having suffered a recurrence of an injury that kept him out a few weeks. And you're not taking Fabinho and Robertson off for Phillips and Neco Williams.
Hopefully we're going to be in a better position moving forwards. Klopp said in his press-conference today that Thiago, Milner and Shaq could all be back in full training next week, throw in an extra weeks training for Keita and Ox and we'll then hopefully have more first team options that will allow us to make changes without sacrificing results.
Just thinking about his injury record since being with us and it really wasn't that bad until 18 months ago. He had a few smaller issues but he also strung together long runs in the side too but it just looks like all those smaller injuries have caught up with him and he cannot go 10 minutes without picking up a knock. There's no chance that we'll be able to sell him in the summer so he'll still be around but he cannot be anything more than 4th choice moving forwards and I don't think that's such a bad thing. If he's not required to play so often he can hopefully focus on being getting match fit before he plays and those few games per season when he does play, you're not getting a better 4th choice CB than him.
It certainly explains the fact we've gone for 2 CB's but it's clear the club have been working on deals long before this injury and Klopp genuinely seemed hopeful that it wasn't going to be too serious before the West Ham game.
I don't think he will have to quarantine - elite sportsmen are excempt iinm. And Klopp was very open that he wanted and we were trying to do a deal for a CB for weeks.
Agree we weren't going to announce the news until these deals were done and as said, I'm sure we've signed two because of it but Klopp's an amazing actor if he was lying before the West Ham game.
edit: I guess the Matip news guarantees that Fabinho is playing CB for the rest of the season. I'd guess Davies will be used similarly to Phillips, as and when they're needed - either when Fabinho breaks his leg in two weeks or is forced into midfield when Thiago does his ACL.
On paper at least, it seems like Kabak will compliment Fabinho at the back. From what I'm reading he's a bit of a monster physically but not the greatest on the ball. Fabinho (and Henderson) can compensate for VVD's passing out of the back but we've lacked a real physical presence in the side without him. Hopefully Kabak can fill that void.
Agree we weren't going to announce the news until these deals were done and as said, I'm sure we've signed two because of it but Klopp's an amazing actor if he was lying before the West Ham game.
edit: I guess the Matip news guarantees that Fabinho is playing CB for the rest of the season. I'd guess Davies will be used similarly to Phillips, as and when they're needed - either when Fabinho breaks his leg in two weeks or is forced into midfield when Thiago does his ACL.
On paper at least, it seems like Kabak will compliment Fabinho at the back. From what I'm reading he's a bit of a monster physically but not the greatest on the ball. Fabinho (and Henderson) can compensate for VVD's passing out of the back but we've lacked a real physical presence in the side without him. Hopefully Kabak can fill that void.
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I'm struggling to think of a more unlucky footballer than Gomez. You get a lot of players that are just injury prone - they have a particular weakness in a certain area and will pick up lots of little injuries which slowly have knock-on effects to surrounding muscles and joints. Gomez has had 4 completely unrelated major injuries by the age of 23.
Awful. I saw some twitter rumours about this the other week but assumed it was bs because nothing was ever confirmed but it appears the news was kept private until after the funeral, which was yesterday.
Obviously a different situation but I remember when Benitez's dad passed away while we were playing the club world cup in Tokyo and he too wasn't able to return for the funeral.
Obviously a different situation but I remember when Benitez's dad passed away while we were playing the club world cup in Tokyo and he too wasn't able to return for the funeral.
Once Messi leaves they'll have more cash available. They've become so dependent on him that they're paying him absolutely mental money - his last contract was reported at €70m per year + image rights + a €100m signing on fee.
And we're not actually owed anything by Barca anymore. Barca's accounts confirmed that we sold the outstanding payments to a financial institution. I suspect it was simply down to the fact that we wanted the cash up front when signing Alisson, Fab etc in 2019 rather than being concerned that Barca won't pay but who knows.
And we're not actually owed anything by Barca anymore. Barca's accounts confirmed that we sold the outstanding payments to a financial institution. I suspect it was simply down to the fact that we wanted the cash up front when signing Alisson, Fab etc in 2019 rather than being concerned that Barca won't pay but who knows.
In hindsight, maybe but I'd question the story about Barca not playing Coutinho anymore. The chances of them selling him given the state of the market, his wages and performances, are slim so if not this season, he'll play those games next season and the clause will be triggered.
As I said, I doubt the possibility of this came into our thinking when we made the decision. I suspect it was a straight forward financial decision - how much of the Coutinho money would we lose by selling the debt vs how much would we save on the 2019 transfers by being able to pay larger up front payments.