The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power (Prime)
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This show is just prime example of the state of the Hollywood in general, almost like a snapshot of politics in the US. In the future when they look back at entertainment made during this decade, they'll be wondering what hell went wrong, it's a like the dark ages of entertainment, everything is political so none of it will age well, rehashing the same old franchises due to the total absence of any creative talent in the industry.
There are some exceptions, but nowhere near enough, sadly it's bleeding into games, just look the new Saints Row... lol
There are some exceptions, but nowhere near enough, sadly it's bleeding into games, just look the new Saints Row... lol
Again, the biggest tv spectacle of the past 2 decades was a fantasy show, the main difference to the current quality of similar genre tv shows being churned out is that it was well written, well acted and respected the source material, which it followed pretty darn closely until that source material ended and the writers had to come up with getting from plot point to plot point on their own (shockingly that's when its quality started to drop) - massively different to the latest couple of Amazon offerings. Take HoD for example, by all accounts that's grown its viewership as the episodes have dropped compared to RoP losing viewers. What's the difference between the 2? Could it be that one is following the formula that made GoT successful and one isn't???
What in your mind is 'hardcore geek'? The debate about how many balrogs there were? or the fact they've thrown away Tolkiens lore regarding that particular balrog being woken up in the 3rd age under Durin IV? What was the point of using a balrog? Did it add to the story in your opinion? or was it a bad attempt to pull a bit of viewer recognition to PJ's original trilogy?
Commentating in a thread about an IP I love, where the vast majority of my posts have been criticism about either changes to the lore/ bad writing/bad acting have just been met with, by in large, either pathetic personal digs or hand waving away valid points as "but there's magic and elves", as if that explains obvious glaring plot holes. It's almost as if people who watch and 'enjoy' the show and then feel the need to comment on those that are critical but cant come on up with valid points to refute said criticism so they go down the route of personal attacks, I don't know about you but that's the real childish behavior imo.
I don't think it's that bad. Somethings do go wild with it but then sometimes some politically charged things turn out really well. I really enjoyed Watchmen and that was probably too political for some
I actually think we are within a golden age of TV. There is some rubbish but there is also a lot of good TV and the best thing now is that there is so much choice with what you want to watch. There is almost too much to watch as my list is getting ever bigger and I have less time to catch up
I actually think we are within a golden age of TV. There is some rubbish but there is also a lot of good TV and the best thing now is that there is so much choice with what you want to watch. There is almost too much to watch as my list is getting ever bigger and I have less time to catch up
I just finished watching the last episode, my over all opinion of the whole series is that it’s alright. May not have been true to the lore at times. I had to watch it and forget about all the lore I have learnt.
The show was slow, very slow at times and still struggled to show grand scale of time this period of time. It had some good points and a couple of episodes I really enjoyed.
I really hope they improve the writing for the next series. I also hope that the women who plays Galadriel, takes some acting lessons before they start filming again. The rest of the cast where overall very good.
Forgot to add an out 10 score when I wrote that earlier. 7/10
The show was slow, very slow at times and still struggled to show grand scale of time this period of time. It had some good points and a couple of episodes I really enjoyed.
I really hope they improve the writing for the next series. I also hope that the women who plays Galadriel, takes some acting lessons before they start filming again. The rest of the cast where overall very good.
Forgot to add an out 10 score when I wrote that earlier. 7/10
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Soldato
The biggest tv spectacle was successful not because it was fantasy. But it also adapted far more easily to current times. Tolkiens works are harder, and yes PJ did a tremendous job. The prior attempt made one film, got canned, was what 3 decades previously?
Even then lots of changes were made.
And he changed plenty, and yet he had the most robust of the books in order to do so, reasonably one book to a film, roughly, with the most known and familiar lore, over a short time frame.
Anyway I am done, I don't see the point in debating someone who isn't even watching it. How they honestly can believe they are forming a valid impression from some memes and clips is beyond me.
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I always like how she tries to speak without moving her lips as if she's doing a ventriloquist act.
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So the fact that Got was a massive success was pure fluke? Not because it had a baked in audience of millions of fans from the off thanks to the series of books that were looking forward to the show, coupled with a production team that prioritised it being well written, hiring great actors, and closely following the established lore of the novels? sure they changed a few things, the direwolves weren't so much of thing in the show as they were in the book 1, the children were aged up a touch etc. Almost all were added so that it would flow better as a tv show - almost every single change PJ made was for the same reason.
You won't 'debate' me because you are unable to, no other reason.
Forming an opinion on the show from clips and reading other people's complaints about said show whose views I know align with my own is a perfectly valid way to form an opinion. For example, I don't need to watch the show to know the writing is ******* terrible thanks to scenes like daddy harfoot making a stupid speech about warning Gandalf the not Gandalf because they don't leave friends behind even though they've spent multiple episodes showing how harfoots leave you behind if you are slow.. that's top tier writing right there!
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Last episode in a nutshell....
Plot armor protects most of the main character's from pyroclastic flow, they range from 200C to 700C, but sure, ok.
For reasons not clear, everyone is covered in chetto dust, which is meant to be ash, some people burnt to a crisp, buildings on fire, horse on fire, most of the main cast however are all fine even though they were all in the same location. No explanation given as to how, because there isn't one that would make any sense, I guess. Woman survives pyroclastic flow but gets blinded by some random embers, sure.. ok
Somehow debris from the volcano lands near the Harfoots destroying one tree, even though they're over 200 miles away, again, no explanation. There's some drama over the lack of food for reasons I don't understand, it's one tree, the rest looked fine. not-Gandalf does some magic to save the tree then leaves...
Some emo people arrive, stupid Harfoot talks to them, and they get their belongings burnt, stupid Harfoot and Lenny Henny go to warn not-Gandalf about the emo people......
Beta male Elrond and dwarf get refused access to mine Mithril, they do it anyway despite risks, got caught.... King reseals mine but first throws in the leaf, which lands and awakens something.... Ends with some expensive CGI... The end.
Plot armor protects most of the main character's from pyroclastic flow, they range from 200C to 700C, but sure, ok.
For reasons not clear, everyone is covered in chetto dust, which is meant to be ash, some people burnt to a crisp, buildings on fire, horse on fire, most of the main cast however are all fine even though they were all in the same location. No explanation given as to how, because there isn't one that would make any sense, I guess. Woman survives pyroclastic flow but gets blinded by some random embers, sure.. ok
Somehow debris from the volcano lands near the Harfoots destroying one tree, even though they're over 200 miles away, again, no explanation. There's some drama over the lack of food for reasons I don't understand, it's one tree, the rest looked fine. not-Gandalf does some magic to save the tree then leaves...
Some emo people arrive, stupid Harfoot talks to them, and they get their belongings burnt, stupid Harfoot and Lenny Henny go to warn not-Gandalf about the emo people......
Beta male Elrond and dwarf get refused access to mine Mithril, they do it anyway despite risks, got caught.... King reseals mine but first throws in the leaf, which lands and awakens something.... Ends with some expensive CGI... The end.
Commissario
@C Kent Right, so all you're actually doing is repeating other peoples opinions?
I suggest you take notice of this.
I suggest you take notice of this.
Spoke to Maccy already, but thanks for your concern.
Soldato
LOL, I won't debate you because it would be pointless. I honestly and no offence meant think it would be a total and utter waste of my time.
Your mind is closed. Its blatantly obvious to all.
You can watch a few clips and you know whats going on. Riiiight.
Honestly I have no idea, like zero why you even come here, its a thread about a show you dont watch.
Do you hold equally "valid" views about dancing on ice, east enders etc from a few memes you see bandied about?
And btw they changed waaaay more than that in GOT. Have you read the books? Massive arcs for example just excluded.
I'm done. You can have the last word and "win" if you want.
Commissario
But yet you carried on
Soldato
Just do everyone a favour and thread ban the two
Commissario
Don't post in this thread again.
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Yep.
None of it made any sense, but then nothing ever does in amazon's Middle-Earth does it?
"Plot" needs things need to happen, they have to get to their "girl-power" moments somehow, their "wouldn't it be cool if? moments (no), and their clearly pre-planned 'memberberry PJ Trilogy call-backs, anything that happens in between doesn't matter, no natural laws apply, no character motivations matter, plot armour is in place so never any chance of danger or jeopardy, and no tension, there's no mystery at all that ever pays off, just mystery boxes and Macguffins and most damningly no reference to the Lore or to the spirit of Tolkien whatsoever.
The writing in this show is worse than bad fan-fiction and with all the resources at their disposal they have managed to conjure a total creative failure that also sets fire to the work of a great man.
S1 is so contemptible it doesn't even deserve the dignity of a rating.
Apart from the memes - that's my final word on Season 1.
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All that money invested in to this.
And all they got out of it, was a turd...
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And all they got out of it, was a turd...
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I enjoyed the last episode, it was a decent reveal about who the Stranger and Halbrand actually was in my eyes. I am not so big into the lore, so honestly didn't mind that the time lines and sequence of events are different. I gave up on the Silmarillion about a quarter of away through it, as I found it dull and boring. I just couldn't get on with it. I can understand that if you enjoyed the lore and the Silmarillion, then the TV series might not be for you. And that's ok, each to their own and all that. Over all though, while I think it started too slow, it got there in the end and will be worthy of a rewatch once season 2 is ready to air. Loved the movie call backs, made for some great TV.
7/10.
7/10.
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