The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power (Prime)

Nitefly said:
I like the person playing Elrond but the high king elf rubs me up the wrong way for some reason.
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The issue I have with so many of the characters in RoP is that they aren't anything like what Tolkien intended their race to be. Their actions and behaviour are completely at odds with their supposed intellect/race traits etc. The elves are supposed to be the best example of middle earth. They are supposed to be wise, measured, ethereal, ancient. In RoP they are just like any other race.

The Numenorians are supposed to be the best of the race of men and their civilisation is testament to that and yet pretty much all we see of them is immature brats and a people who are swayed by gutter politics.


Apex said:
variety.com

Toxic Fandom: How Hollywood Is Battling Fans Who Are ‘Just Out for Blood’ — From Social Media Boot Camps to Superfan Focus Groups

The threat of toxic fandoms — from Star Wars and Lord of the Rings to Bridgerton and Game of Thrones — has become an intractable headache for almost every studio.
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Love to see Hollywoke and their toxic access entertainment media having another tantrum because the fans are winning.

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Whats wonderfully ironic is that they still cannot fathom that the issue can reside anywhere else but the fanbase. They happily call out fans who won't change their minds and happily speak out about it and yet see no parallels between that and their own insistence that their own views and output is good and that other people are the issue.
 
fez said:
The issue I have with so many of the characters in RoP is that they aren't anything like what Tolkien intended their race to be. Their actions and behaviour are completely at odds with their supposed intellect/race traits etc. The elves are supposed to be the best example of middle earth. They are supposed to be wise, measured, ethereal, ancient. In RoP they are just like any other race.

The Numenorians are supposed to be the best of the race of men and their civilisation is testament to that and yet pretty much all we see of them is immature brats and a people who are swayed by gutter politics.




Whats wonderfully ironic is that they still cannot fathom that the issue can reside anywhere else but the fanbase. They happily call out fans who won't change their minds and happily speak out about it and yet see no parallels between that and their own insistence that their own views and output is good and that other people are the issue.
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Yeah, it just shows their insane levels of entitlement and narcisscism. The fans were there in some cases 40-50 years before they were with JRRT, and we'll be here long after they have gone yet we're the problem...?

Ok then, maybe we know what Tolkien is and should be and you don't...

But no, you're all wrong and you're all toxic for not accepting our terrible show with it's modern day woke ideology.

They're p*ssed off because when they gaslit SW fans and Marvel fans they kind of won in a way because they have completely ruined those IP's - but it's not worked with JRRT fans, and they cannot stand it. The fans have not bent the knee, instead we have thrown their garbage back into the fires of Mount Doom.

Now they have biggest disaster in TV History on their hands a 1BN show everyone is just laughing at, and it will be forgotten the moment S5 ends, no-one will ever go back and rewatch even the shallow and easily pleased who say they like it now.

The books will remain canon forever, and as for visual canon, as near that can ever be a thing, we'll always have the Trilogy.

:)
 
Apex said:
Yeah, it just shows their insane levels of entitlement and narcisscism. The fans were there in some cases 40-50 years before they were with JRRT, and we'll be here long after they have gone yet we're the problem...?
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I think the issue is that they cannot understand that shows don't fail because of a vocal minority on social media. They fail because people don't watch them or even more likely, people start to watch them and switch off. You can do your best to make a mess of a show or film before it comes out by allowing/encouraging your performers to talk crap that will wind up the fans if you like but fundamentally shows live and die on people watching and enjoying them.

I am still in the statistics for watching RoP because I am trudging through it in the hope it gets better (and out of a morbid curiosity as to how they will continue to ruin it). A watch is a watch. If millions were doing the same it would be hailed a success. They clearly are not though. Most people are not invested enough in Tolkien to stick with this and they aren't invested enough to watch it for enjoyment.

They are the literal embodiment of the Skinner meme. "Are we making shows people don't enjoy or want to watch?"
 
fez said:
I think the issue is that they cannot understand that shows don't fail because of a vocal minority on social media. They fail because people don't watch them or even more likely, people start to watch them and switch off. You can do your best to make a mess of a show or film before it comes out by allowing/encouraging your performers to talk crap that will wind up the fans if you like but fundamentally shows live and die on people watching and enjoying them.

I am still in the statistics for watching RoP because I am trudging through it in the hope it gets better (and out of a morbid curiosity as to how they will continue to ruin it). A watch is a watch. If millions were doing the same it would be hailed a success. They clearly are not though. Most people are not invested enough in Tolkien to stick with this and they aren't invested enough to watch it for enjoyment.

They are the literal embodiment of the Skinner meme. "Are we making shows people don't enjoy or want to watch?"
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They know their shows aren't failing because of a few people on social Media, but they have to find someone to blame and it's always white males because that's who they hate. Because they're racist and misandrist.

There's not much more to it than that, yes, shows only really fail because the normies don't watch them I made that point a few pages back IIRC. And of course there is no "modern audience" for anything either, so the Skinner meme is a perfect fit, they're making shows for themselves and for people who don't exist.

Activists don't watch, activists don't buy, and activists don't engage with anything, they just move on to crying about something else.
 
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Apex said:
They know their shows aren't failing because of a few people on social Media, but they have to find someone to blame and it's always white males because that's who they hate. Because they're racist and misandrist.
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Oh yeah, the two white heterosexual men show running ROP are definitely racist against white people and hate men :rolleyes:
 
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VincentHanna said:
Oh yeah, the two white heterosexual men show running ROP are definitely racist against white people and hate men :rolleyes:
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Yes, they are. Absolutely they are. That's the white guilt wokey access media and entertainment business for you there's hundreds of these freaks out there - but of course they're not bad people it's those other white people who don't like our garbage shows or our "values". Traditional entertianment media is dying and they're all clinging on for dear life hoping that sucking up to woke activism is going to save them - it isn't!

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Apex said:
They know their shows aren't failing because of a few people on social Media, but they have to find someone to blame and it's always white males because that's who they hate. Because they're racist and misandrist.

There's not much more to it than that, yes, shows only really fail because the normies don't watch them I made that point a few pages back IIRC. And of course there is no "modern audience" for anything either, so the Skinner meme is a perfect fit, they're making shows for themselves and for people who don't exist.

Activists don't watch, activists don't buy, and activists don't engage with anything, they just move on to crying about something else.
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Do they though? If you hire enough people who truly believe that the core of good TV/Films is this sort of thing, why wouldn't they believe that the reason things are failing is because of internet trolls?

And yes, activists don't tend to consume the media they complain about because they have no core interest in it. Its a means to an end. Its another coat hook to hang their ideology on. It doesn't matter what the battle field, its all about the war.

Unsurprisingly, a computer game that panders to these things doesn't find that it makes the game any better so people not interested in it before, won't be interested in it after.


VincentHanna said:
Oh yeah, the two white heterosexual men show running ROP are definitely racist against white people and hate men :rolleyes:
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I mean, yes, its very much possible for people within a group to discriminate against people like themselves. Ideology doesn't magically evaporate if you happen to be one of the people that you are trying to "fight against" because obviously you are fighting the good fight and rebalancing things from the inside.
 
fez said:
I mean, yes, its very much possible for people within a group to discriminate against people like themselves. Ideology doesn't magically evaporate if you happen to be one of the people that you are trying to "fight against" because obviously you are fighting the good fight and rebalancing things from the inside.
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It's possible.

I don't think they demonstrated racism against white men by casting one black dwarf and one black elf..
 
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fez said:
Do they though? If you hire enough people who truly believe that the core of good TV/Films is this sort of thing, why wouldn't they believe that the reason things are failing is because of internet trolls?

And yes, activists don't tend to consume the media they complain about because they have no core interest in it. Its a means to an end. Its another coat hook to hang their ideology on. It doesn't matter what the battle field, its all about the war.

Unsurprisingly, a computer game that panders to these things doesn't find that it makes the game any better so people not interested in it before, won't be interested in it after.




I mean, yes, its very much possible for people within a group to discriminate against people like themselves. Ideology doesn't magically evaporate if you happen to be one of the people that you are trying to "fight against" because obviously you are fighting the good fight and rebalancing things from the inside.
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That's a hell of a lot of self-deception I think. Let's face it, they're not setting out to make great TV in the first place, this is simply about politics. But I can see what you mean, maybe they are collectively that insane and deluded, but the thing is they could never publicly state they got anything wrong because they're so narcisscistic.
 
I noticed Amazon suggesting I continue watching this ahead of other stuff I was in the middle of watching.

Eventually got round to watching the last episode, but tbh it felt like a chore I had to make time for.

I don't like the weekly releases, after a couple of weeks I'm over it.
 


Yep, pretty much, endless useless characters there to do nothing but waste time and remind people of the Trilogy. What I saw of the WOT show was pretty mediocre, but this is so so so much worse.
 
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I had to give up on the second season by episode 3 or 4. I was just so, so bored of it and it could not keep my interest at all.

Extremely disappointing, as I am a huge fan of LOTR. The first season had a little promise, but it just flopped like a semi flacid penis on a hot day.
 
When all you've got is your politics and your plot is crap and your acting shonky and you are twisting beloved IP to fit your Worldview without a care for the lore. it's the "toxic" fans fault. I hate that word ridiculously overused. If the first thing out of the writers and showrunners mouth at the interview isn't I want to tell a good and entertaining story why are you even interviewing them for these major IP's. At this rate we'll all welcome the AI's that come to write the shows.
 
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