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Modern productions have a funny idea how to do convincing strong female characters. Making them impossibility perfect and invincible Mary Sue types just isn't the way
The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power (Prime)
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Vikings was excellent TV until Fimmel left and the awful actors playing his sons took over.
Modern productions have a funny idea how to do convincing strong female characters. Making them impossibility perfect and invincible Mary Sue types just isn't the way
One day women will get their rightful share of roles as physically unpleasant and downright ugly characters (not attractive with mental issues) that have no comedy about them yet are still major characters.
Just need to go far enough into the realm of fantasy to reach the concept that women can be fat, old, rough in every sense, even deformed and mutilated in a serious role.
I recall the die hard Tolkien fans absolutely frothing about any change or inconsistency from the books when the PJ movies first came out. I guess this is the just the latest thing to hate on before it's even out? I myself loved both.
The star wars movies weren't dumpster fires because of Daisy Ridleys acting or her character knew how to fight (she can clearly handle herself prior to any force shenanigans), they were dumpster fires because of the badly thought out, re-hashed plots with no logic or flow to them ("somehow palpatine is back", er you wot mate?). You could make the same criticisms of Luke in the OT, he took out Death Stars and Darth Vaders for fun and had zero training prior to the movies.
Why wouldn't Galadriel be able to hold her own with a blade, where was it written she could not? She's been around so long she could have mastered any number of things. And why on (middle) earth would a female elf need to look like a Viking shield maiden? Elves who are always portrayed as moving ethereally and I suppose with cat like grace as opposed to brute forces of nature.
Honestly, people just need to chill out a bit. If it's a train wreck then at least let is crash first before getting all worked up about it.
No - PJ set the benchmark.
Interestingly the clean shininess of the latest trailer is bugging me - I wasn't too bothered before and it could even work as a hallmark of the Elven bits but in the latest trailer it just completely ruins the aesthetic which otherwise is fairly good - it goes so far as to expose stunt weapons, etc. for what they are - you can clearly see where something is rubber or plastic instead of metal, etc.
Well no kidding but Jackson's trailers left you knowing what to expect and really hyped for what was coming let alone the long eager hyped waits each year. Where this is feeling... ehhhhh, maybe, maybe not... Iffy...
This isn't leaving the impression OH MAH GAWDZ. I'm so hyped for this like Jackson's.
I am not one to care if something goes off "canon" or whatever - as long as the changes are worthwhile and its a good quality show with good, believable actors - unfortunately all that seems to currently take a back seat to box ticking for its own sake at the expense of quality for some reason. Diversity etc is fine provided the quality of the story/show/acting is kept at the forefront - which currently it rarely is.
The makers seem to feel the only goal they have is to cobble something together that will get a pass because they have ensured the audience is being "educated" on modern values etc , quality/the story doesnt matter and I dont understand why - the two dont have to be mutually exclusive..
This show I suspect will suffer accordingly but probably wont be as bad as some of the "fans" will say it is. (providing Lenny Bloody Henry has a very small part in it)
The makers seem to feel the only goal they have is to cobble something together that will get a pass because they have ensured the audience is being "educated" on modern values etc , quality/the story doesnt matter and I dont understand why - the two dont have to be mutually exclusive..
This show I suspect will suffer accordingly but probably wont be as bad as some of the "fans" will say it is. (providing Lenny Bloody Henry has a very small part in it)
Funny though, to think once this was once called the entertainment industry.
Ian McKellan was known in Last Action Hero and X-Men 2000 before Lord of the Rings plus I remember him from theatre play before that. Elijah Wood, Back To the Future 2 and other 90s films alongside Culkan. Liv Tyler was quite known. Not big but being recognised. Armageddon. Sean Astin, Goonies, California Man. Sean Bean, British TV shows, Goldeneye. Ian Holm, Loch Ness, Alien, Fifth Element. Christopher Lee, Vampire days that I remember seeing reruns of the cheesy stuff, Gremlins 2, Sleepy Hollow. Cate Blanchett I remember alongside Bruce Willis, forgot the movie... John Rhys-Davies Indiana Jones. Hugo Weaving, Priscilla Queen of the Desert, The Matrix. These were all known before Lord of the Rings came about.
I didn't know of Orlando Bloom, Viggo Mortenssen until seeing the Stallone 96 film again Daylight. Didn't know of Andy Serkis or Dominic Monaghan and Billy Boyd.
I didn't know of Orlando Bloom, Viggo Mortenssen until seeing the Stallone 96 film again Daylight. Didn't know of Andy Serkis or Dominic Monaghan and Billy Boyd.
They stand up well for over 20 year old trailers mind.
Yeah - I think only Orlando Bloom and some of the other hobbit actors like Dominic Monaghan and Billy Boyd I wasn't aware of before the LOTR movies from the more prominent cast - and Orlando Bloom exploded into a bunch of movies I watched at around that time (BHD, Pirates of the Caribbean, etc.) - a couple I think I might have seen before the first LOTR movie by a margin but my memory struggles a bit.
The reason most shows with warrior women usually go for that aesthetic is because it makes it slightly believable that a woman is a good fighter. It just looks **** when you have a waif of a woman who is clearly an actor not an athlete and never has been trying to run and swing a sword with coordination. It complete breaks the immersion if the great warrior looks like she is struggling to swing a sword straight or moves in a janky way.