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Rangnick is full defence of Maguire this morning after he's came in for some.big criticism following the Southampton game.
To be fair to Maguire like, I know he's had his troubles on and off the pitch but there will be a lot of centre backs in world football that will struggle abit with Broja over the next few seasons. He's going to be immense.
To be fair to Maguire like, I know he's had his troubles on and off the pitch but there will be a lot of centre backs in world football that will struggle abit with Broja over the next few seasons. He's going to be immense.
Just in case anyone missed this, Man Utd chat starts at about 15:40.
He's completely right in that it feels like there are 100 different problems with the club at the moment. It's not really about the manager any longer - he can't force the players to work hard if they simply won't.
At the start of the season there was talk of a title challenge, and now we're looking as bad as we've ever been in recent memory (or not much better).
Says a good portion of the players have their PR machines in overdrive, trying to deflect from their abject performances. He fires a bit of a warning shot saying the media know who the ones briefing against the manager and club are.
A major but fairly swift rebuild is needed. Trying to limp on with the current useless players will just do more long term harm. I hope Richard Arnold can succeed where Woodward failed so miserably.
Rebuild what though, from scratch? Is that a rebuild starting with Arnold?
It's seems extremely hard to pinpoint what exactly is going wrong. The team on the pitch had 8-10 50-100m players in it and are struggling to break top 6. Is it the players attitude, when they walk on the green? The direction from manager?
How deep does it go? Does it stem deeper than the management team? Are the management affected by what's going on in the boardroom and that transfers to the players?
Honestly it's such a bizarre situation because on paper and player transfer values taken into account the table position seems to be such a misrepresentation.
I feel United are on a knife edge where they could be ultimately dragged into a period where they could go without winning a title for another 9 years at least, seems insane but Liverpool went 30 years without a title and they are heading in the same direction, especially with the power that City, Liverpool and Chelsea possess.
The difference is that Liverpool weren't going through that period blowing record transfers on average CB's and spending like the top clubs.
As you say it's a mystery as to what the issue is. I don't know whether it's just one or two players causing the issues and then everyone else falling in with that. Would removing those players ultimately help pull everyone else in line or has the issues become rooted deeper than that?
We seem to have hit a point where you could throw a few of the best players in the world and you'd honestly just expect us to ruin them rather than enjoy the football they'd bring.
Yes, rebuild more or less from scratch. The entire structure of the club is wrong.
Ultimately money is the critical factor and you can't argue we haven't spent enough of it. It's just been spent so very badly.
The Glazers are not setting a good tone for a start, but let's be fair, they don't really have that much of an input. They delegated to Woodward who made a mess of it - and Woodward has been the issue for me. He completely failed to install the correct type of people in the right positions. You need people like Rangnick working higher up, not random ex-players and Woodward who knows nothing of football.
I don't think this will happen, but I would have Rangnick as the Director of Football, and employ any people he wants to work beneath him.
I'd push for Ten Hag as manager, a big character who will act as a talisman for the club. Quite how good he is at the very top level remains to be seen, but he's the most ambitious appointment we can make. As Neville mentioned, the biggest character at the club has to be the manager, he sets the tone for everything. Pep and Klopp for example.
I like Pochettino and wouldn't be against him as manager however if the structure above doesn't change, he'll probably end up like Ole, with the players downing tools after a couple of years.
In terms of the actual players, it's clear many of them have the wrong attitude or simply aren't good enough, and financial concessions need to be made in order to get rid of many of them. Holding out for unrealistic transfer fees will just continue this malaise we are in. Too many of the players are lazy and overrated, and they know it, and it's created a toxic environment. This has been the case for years now.
Richard Arnold (replaced Woodward) is reportedly someone who accepts he doesn't have the elite football knowledge and will delegate things, and Rangnick being there should help a lot with this. He may not be an elite manager, but his football knowledge in terms of running a club is second to none.
Fingers crossed...
Ultimately money is the critical factor and you can't argue we haven't spent enough of it. It's just been spent so very badly.
The Glazers are not setting a good tone for a start, but let's be fair, they don't really have that much of an input. They delegated to Woodward who made a mess of it - and Woodward has been the issue for me. He completely failed to install the correct type of people in the right positions. You need people like Rangnick working higher up, not random ex-players and Woodward who knows nothing of football.
I don't think this will happen, but I would have Rangnick as the Director of Football, and employ any people he wants to work beneath him.
I'd push for Ten Hag as manager, a big character who will act as a talisman for the club. Quite how good he is at the very top level remains to be seen, but he's the most ambitious appointment we can make. As Neville mentioned, the biggest character at the club has to be the manager, he sets the tone for everything. Pep and Klopp for example.
I like Pochettino and wouldn't be against him as manager however if the structure above doesn't change, he'll probably end up like Ole, with the players downing tools after a couple of years.
In terms of the actual players, it's clear many of them have the wrong attitude or simply aren't good enough, and financial concessions need to be made in order to get rid of many of them. Holding out for unrealistic transfer fees will just continue this malaise we are in. Too many of the players are lazy and overrated, and they know it, and it's created a toxic environment. This has been the case for years now.
Richard Arnold (replaced Woodward) is reportedly someone who accepts he doesn't have the elite football knowledge and will delegate things, and Rangnick being there should help a lot with this. He may not be an elite manager, but his football knowledge in terms of running a club is second to none.
Fingers crossed...
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It's very simple what went wrong. Fergie and Gill left which left a gaping chasm that was never filled.
Both should have had someone waiting in the wings to take over in a gradual way. Don't forget Fergie and Gill literally left right at the end of the season together
There was none of this last dance stuff where the club would have had time to react.
It has happened to clubs before like Forest, Blackburn etc just on a smaller level and they never came back from it because they didn't have the money.
We still have time but another 5 years and we will end up like Arsenal now or Liverpool in the 90's/00's
Both should have had someone waiting in the wings to take over in a gradual way. Don't forget Fergie and Gill literally left right at the end of the season together
There was none of this last dance stuff where the club would have had time to react.
It has happened to clubs before like Forest, Blackburn etc just on a smaller level and they never came back from it because they didn't have the money.
We still have time but another 5 years and we will end up like Arsenal now or Liverpool in the 90's/00's
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David moyes was groomed for that role!
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I am sure people on here suspected the same...no idea what he is doing there really. 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...irector-Darren-Fletchers-role-Man-United.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...irector-Darren-Fletchers-role-Man-United.html
Jobs for the boysI am sure people on here suspected the same...no idea what he is doing there really.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...irector-Darren-Fletchers-role-Man-United.html
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I think this is badly worded really, I think that quote means that Rangnick doesn't know what he does beyond his work in training and on match day (where he says he is good). Why would he? He's an interim so his job isn't in that area at the moment, he won't be involved in the rest of the club until he moves 'upstairs' as it were in the summer.
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Yeah but isn't he 'moving upstairs' next? So surely he would have a vague idea? Eg 'he works with the scouting team' or whatever. Quite concerning he has no idea what Fletcher does surely.
EDIT: I am certain other top clubs don't have senior members at the club that have no idea about their co-workers responsibilities...think about it at your own workplace. (not you specifically!
)I think the downfall of Man U has been that it was an impossible job to replace Fergie and the consistency he had going so the revolving door of managers since have all bought in various players but never really lasted long enough to build their own team so it's just ended up with a miss mash of players which are talented individuals but don't look and play like a team.Yes, rebuild more or less from scratch. The entire structure of the club is wrong.
Ultimately money is the critical factor and you can't argue we haven't spent enough of it. It's just been spent so very badly.
The Glazers are not setting a good tone for a start, but let's be fair, they don't really have that much of an input. They delegated to Woodward who made a mess of it - and Woodward has been the issue for me. He completely failed to install the correct type of people in the right positions. You need people like Rangnick working higher up, not random ex-players and Woodward who knows nothing of football.
I don't think this will happen, but I would have Rangnick as the Director of Football, and employ any people he wants to work beneath him.
I'd push for Ten Hag as manager, a big character who will act as a talisman for the club. Quite how good he is at the very top level remains to be seen, but he's the most ambitious appointment we can make. As Neville mentioned, the biggest character at the club has to be the manager, he sets the tone for everything. Pep and Klopp for example.
I like Pochettino and wouldn't be against him as manager however if the structure above doesn't change, he'll probably end up like Ole, with the players downing tools after a couple of years.
In terms of the actual players, it's clear many of them have the wrong attitude or simply aren't good enough, and financial concessions need to be made in order to get rid of many of them. Holding out for unrealistic transfer fees will just continue this malaise we are in. Too many of the players are lazy and overrated, and they know it, and it's created a toxic environment. This has been the case for years now.
Richard Arnold (replaced Woodward) is reportedly someone who accepts he doesn't have the elite football knowledge and will delegate things, and Rangnick being there should help a lot with this. He may not be an elite manager, but his football knowledge in terms of running a club is second to none.
Fingers crossed...
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Yeah but isn't he 'moving upstairs' next? So surely he would have a vague idea? Eg 'he works with the scouting team' or whatever. Quite concerning he has no idea what Fletcher does surely.
EDIT: I am certain other top clubs don't have senior members at the club that have no idea about their co-workers responsibilities...think about it at your own workplace. (not you specifically!
Well he knows what he does right now and said he's good at it. Obvious he doesn't know what certain responsibilities are because they won't have come up yet, given we weren't involved in transfers in the January window.
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No Ralf doesn't know what he does.
How is it obvious he doesn't know what certain respisiblities are? Imagine not knowing what people at work do...even if it hadn't come up, someone would be able to say what they have done previously.
He knows he helps out on the training ground but apart from that, he has no idea. This is actually mental. He doesn't say 'I know he works hard on XYZ when he isn't on the training ground' or 'I've heard many positive things about him relating to XYZ' etc.
The first few weeks of any new job is finding out what everyone does and Ralf would have tried to find out...and probably got a lot of shrug shoulders.
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Yes he does, he says he's heavily involved with the match day and in and around training and that he's very good at it
Do you seriously think we have people employed just sitting around doing nothing? This is a business, they aren't going to stand for that. It was mentioned in the summer that Fletcher was heavily involved with the singing process for players but obviously we haven't done that since Rangnick has been here so he won't know that.
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It is taken out of context. Pure daily rag nonsense.
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Yes he does, he says he's heavily involved with the match day and in and around training and that he's very good at it
Do you seriously think we have people employed just sitting around doing nothing? This is a business, they aren't going to stand for that. It was mentioned in the summer that Fletcher was heavily involved with the singing process for players but obviously we haven't done that since Rangnick has been here so he won't know that.
I had time to reflect on my answer and I see your point about it being badly worded/out of context perhaps.
I do feel though that he would know more about what he does as people would tell him/he would ask.
It is very random/rare/strange for someone to come out in public and say they don't know what someone does...but if it were to happen at any of the top clubs, at the moment, it definitely would be Man Utd as they seem all over the place. I can't think of any examples where someone at Liverpool/Chelsea etc has said this.
The perception of the club is critical and it can look quite damaging...