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IronSpider said:
What makes you think you can just rip up his contract for free?
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Martynt74 said:
Yeah, i'm not sure what he's said is worthy of gross negligence.
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There was a manager on talksport essentially saying that if the player wants to fight it they will probably win. He didn't manage it even when he went through extended standard practices such as issuing written warnings etc.

The only way Ronaldo leaves is if he wants to. We can probably dock him wages if he acts up but even then if Ronaldo wanted to he could appeal that and probably win.
 
fez said:
There was a manager on talksport essentially saying that if the player wants to fight it they will probably win. He didn't manage it even when he went through extended standard practices such as issuing written warnings etc.

The only way Ronaldo leaves is if he wants to. We can probably dock him wages if he acts up but even then if Ronaldo wanted to he could appeal that and probably win.
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I think he does want to leave - Maybe United asked for a fee in the summer from any club and refused to settle for letting him go on a free and now he's 'forcing' the hand for us.
 
It will very much depend on the individual contract, and exactly what Ronaldo says in the interview.

I can see the Glazers getting pretty mad about it though, they might find a way to effectively sack him.
 

The Premier League player employment framework​

Footballers are employees of their clubs, with all Premier League players working under standard employment contracts. This standard contract sets out the club's rights and obligations as an employer and also includes processes to follow when disciplinary action needs to be taken or when terminating a player's contract.

The standard employment contract provides that clubs may terminate a player's employment if the club reasonably considers that they are guilty of gross misconduct, which includes a "breach of or failure to comply with the terms of their contract". Furthermore, players have a duty to not "knowingly or recklessly do…anything which is likely to bring the club or the game of football into disrepute". Clubs may therefore be able to rely on these provisions to terminate a player's employment contract (with fourteen days' notice), if the player's actions off the pitch have led, or are likely to result in damage to the reputation of the club or to football more generally. We have seen examples of this previously, for instance when Chelsea FC terminated the contract of their striker, Adrian Mutu, in October 2004 after he tested positive for using cocaine.

Aside from the typical rights that employees have, the standard contract includes a detailed disciplinary procedure. In cases of dismissal for, among other things, gross misconduct, clubs may bypass the disciplinary procedure, although the standard contract gives football players who are dismissed a right to appeal directly to the Premier League if they think their dismissal is not justified.

In practice, clubs will rarely go straight to terminating a player's employment without first investigating and, where appropriate, conducting a disciplinary hearing. This is because clubs will want to avoid paying damages for breach of contract and the potential embarrassment that might result from an appeal decision being made against them. The Premier League might choose to reverse a club's decision to dismiss, for example, in instances where no reasonable employer would have considered the player's actions off the pitch as likely to bring the club or the game into disrepute. This was the case in the appeal by Richard Keogh, who was recently awarded £2.3 million (in his case by the EFL, rather the Premier League) against his former club Derby County, after he was dismissed for gross misconduct when he was involved in a car crash caused by one of his team-mates, who was over the limit at the time.
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There could be grounds for dismissal if he is found to bring the club into disrepute or actions off the pitch is found to damage the clubs reputation. Obviously we have no idea on his footballing contract details but having a standard employment contract means he could well be dismissed. I guess if so, he would appeal, how that would end up is anyones guess.

He needs to be gone regardless.
 
Nah don't send him to the reserves, don't want him polluting the youngsters. If he refuses to agree to mutual termination then just let him train alone for 6 months.
 
adam cool dude said:
I think he will agree to it. He will not want to be stuck in the reserves for 6+ months because it is impossible for him to play another game for Manchester United.
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Then you are giving him exactly what he wants. People aren't coming in for him because United would have wanted a fee and then his wages off the books. He can now be free to leave and get a decent wage at the next mugs.

Shamikebab said:
Nah don't send him to the reserves, don't want him polluting the youngsters. If he refuses to agree to mutual termination then just let him train alone for 6 months.
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I wish they would do this but he would have the PFA in and they would put a stop to it. Footballers have so much power I wouldn't bet against the contract being terminated but he gets paid up. :(
 
We wanted a fee in the summer and he wanted to go to a CL club and get paid megabucks. All three of these things meant that he was never going to leave. None of the big clubs wanted him. No one would pay him what we are and no one was willing to pay us a fee and his massive wages.

Now he seems to be more motivated to leave, we probably want either no fee or a much lower fee. I would be amazed if he is willing to take a pay cut though. His ego wouldn't allow that. Hes still the best player in the world don't you know. Well, at least in his head.
 
Shamikebab said:
And you're basing this on what?
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I have no idea re playing the mental health card however contracts work two ways and I'd be amazed if Utd could just let him rot. There will be obligations on Utd's part regarding his involvement with the squad etc. He'd most likely have grounds to terminate his own contract and make a constructive dismissal claim against the club.
 
BaZ87 said:
I have no idea re playing the mental health card however contracts work two ways and I'd be amazed if Utd could just let him rot. There will be obligations on Utd's part regarding his involvement with the squad etc. He'd most likely have grounds to terminate his own contract and make a constructive dismissal claim against the club.
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I don't buy it. I don't see how they could possibly force a manager to have a player in the squad. I can think of umpteen example of players that have been frozen out back to Winston Bogarde at Chelsea!

I think legally they have to grant him access to the facilities but beyond that I doubt they could do anything.
 
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Shamikebab said:
I don't buy it. I don't see how they could possibly force a manager to have a player in the squad. I can think of umpteen example of players that have been frozen out back to Winston Bogarde at Chelsea!

I think legally they have to grant him access to the facilities but beyond that I doubt they could do anything.
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I'll try to dig it out if I can find it but there was something written on this by some legal eagle regarding a similar situation where by sports people are or could be treated similar to entertainers and have to be offered the chance to perform, so to speak.

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There's elements of Swiss law that protects that and says you can't just pay a sportsmen or entertainer without giving them the ability to showcase their talent and maintain their experience because that's what the profession is based upon. That gets very complex regarding jurisdictions – sometimes Swiss law can be applicable in a footballing context.
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Could Liverpool legally let Raheem Sterling "rot in the reserves" in response to contract dispute? - City AM

When a 20-year-old footballer publicly declares he wants to leave a club and his agent hurls insults at one of its legendary players, you can forgive fans for reacting emotionally. Raheem Sterling's all-too-public wrangling over a new contract with Liverpool has turned ugly in recent days, with...
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It's a complex issue but in theory there could be grounds for a player to make a claim against his club. It's never going to come to this though. Utd will agree some sort of pay-off with Ronaldo and he'll walk in January, just how much they pay him is up in the air.
 
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How would you possibly prove he hadn't been given the chance to perform? Surely any player not being picked could use this to get out of their contract at any time, it would be chaos.
 
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