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what a credit i am to what?!
you're just in a huff because you steamed in to a discussion having clearly missed the point and despite that being pointed out to you on numerous occassions now you're still trying to bang that drum. i'll talk further about the board being bad all day long, no idea why you think i wouldn't. you're the one that seemingly wants to only focus on martial for some unknown reason.
Because he was the person you mentioned dude :D Then you went on to say he's been mismanaged since day 1 but anytime you're asked to expand on your points you start whining and complaining.

Here I'll show you how to do it:

One of the reasons we're mismanaged is we claim to want a rebuild but we signed some players that will need to be replaced in 2/3 years tops. That is not how you do a rebuild. When ETH took over we needed to set out a target, say we're going to aim to compete for the title in 3 years, or 5 years and build around that but we didn't do this.

That is how you make a point dude. If you want to ask questions I can expand on it, this is how a discussion works.
 
start whining and complaining
show me where ive whined or complained?! you're feet first into a debate that you totally missed the point of and yet you're still banging on about it. if you wanted to discuss the poor footballing decisions by the club in general go for it. could spend all day discussing those. you however wanted to start a discussion solely about martial, i and others told you no one else was was talking about martial specifically but rather that his name had simply been chosen as an example of the poor footballing decisions at the club.
Because he was the person you mentioned dude :D
he was mentioned purely as an example. no one was wanting to discuss his indivdual failings or the clubs failings with him specifically. we're talking about the wider, generally poor footballing decisions at the club. and to be honest if you need it explaining to you how the club has poorly handled the martial situation then i'd suggested you've not kept up to date with utd. the martial situation is one that's been hanging round for several seasons.

unless of course you don't believe the martial situation is an example of poor management on the footballing side of things.
 
I've already said I don't think Martial is an example of failings on the footballing side of things (assuming you are talking above the manager here, you're not really clear) When I asked you how it should have been handled you accused me of missing the point :D

I love how you completely ignored the actual board discussion part of my post. I think that makes it pretty clear you have no interest in a discussion and are just trolling.
 
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I've already said I don't think Martial is an example of failings on the footballing side of things (assuming you are talking above the manager here, you're not really clear) When I asked you how it should have been handled you accused me of missing the point :D

I love how you completely ignored the actual board discussion part of my post. I think that makes it pretty clear you have no interest in a discussion and are just trolling.

I’m bored and willing to bite.

The guys been at the club for 9 seasons and just hasn’t scored enough goals. Is constantly injured. The last 3 or 4 managers have been happy to sell him. Hes not good enough. He’s been out on loan and isn’t good enough for that level either. They didn’t want him.

He’s some how still at the club on massive wages.

It’s been going on for years and years. Why was he given a new contract?

Jones. Permanently injured was given a contract while injured and not playing. Was at the club for years and years while not playing. Plays then gets injured.

Why was he given a new contract?

Maguire - waste of space, manager does not want him or rate him. Well out of form. Have him on a stupid wage that you can get rid of him.

Why is he been given a bumper new contract where you simply can’t get rid?

AwB - rinse and repeat the above.

Dvdb - slightly different in that he’s just not good enough, similar situation though been on loan not good enough for Everton - still at the club. Why?

There’s more. This is just a complete and utter failing from the club.
 
Sadly, you are probably right :(. It's the hope that kills you.
I think when we miss out on certain targets like CL qualification that also perpetuates part of our ongoing cycle, which is overpaying for players who want CL football to then come and play for us.
The ‘Utd tax’ is real, but is definitely magnified by our general incompetence when buying players and renewing mediocre players on huge deals.
 
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I’m bored and willing to bite.

The guys been at the club for 9 seasons and just hasn’t scored enough goals. Is constantly injured. The last 3 or 4 managers have been happy to sell him. Hes not good enough. He’s been out on loan and isn’t good enough for that level either. They didn’t want him.

He’s some how still at the club on massive wages.

It’s been going on for years and years. Why was he given a new contract?

Jones. Permanently injured was given a contract while injured and not playing. Was at the club for years and years while not playing. Plays then gets injured.

Why was he given a new contract?

Maguire - waste of space, manager does not want him or rate him. Well out of form. Have him on a stupid wage that you can get rid of him.

Why is he been given a bumper new contract where you simply can’t get rid?

AwB - rinse and repeat the above.

Dvdb - slightly different in that he’s just not good enough, similar situation though been on loan not good enough for Everton - still at the club. Why?

There’s more. This is just a complete and utter failing from the club.

When Martial was given that contract he was first choice striker and our attack was firing. It's not like he was given that contract when he was out on loan. The only option now is to pay him off to leave, is that better for the club or better for you? Our spending is already incredibly limited and the striker market is very bad right now. We'd be paying to lose a player and getting no money in to replace them. Who are you bringing in that is good enough?

Jones agree completely, but the people who made that decision aren't even here any more so it's of no relevance to the current club situation.

Maguire, what bumper new contract? And the manager has said multiple times that he is happy to keep him and has even praised him in recent weeks. You can't force a player out of the club against their will, again I don't really see what this has to do with the board level football structure.

AWB? You mean the guy that ETH made his first choice? You want the DoF to get rid of him? That makes no sense.

VdB because nobody wants to buy him, what do you expect the club to do?
 
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When Martial was given that contract he was first choice striker and our attack was firing. It's not like he was given that contract when he was out on loan. The only option now is to pay him off to leave, is that better for the club or better for you? Our spending is already incredibly limited and the striker market is very bad right now. We'd be paying to lose a player and getting no money in to replace them. Who are you bringing in that is good enough?

Jones agree completely, but the people who made that decision aren't even here any more so it's of no relevance to the current club situation.

Maguire, what bumper new contract? And the manager has said multiple times that he is happy to keep him and has even praised him in recent weeks. You can't force a player out of the club against their will, again I don't really see what this has to do with the board level football structure.

AWB? You mean the guy that ETH made his first choice? You want the DoF to get rid of him? That makes no sense.

VdB because nobody wants to buy him, what do you expect the club to do?

Yet here we are with a club full of players that aren’t good enough, not wanted, injury prone, book value way more than market value, paid more than their market value and the club in shambles.

This doesn’t happen over night. It’s down to years of mistakes, mishaps and failures with no consequences or willingness to change.
 
Yet here we are with a club full of players that aren’t good enough, not wanted, injury prone, book value way more than market value, paid more than their market value and the club in shambles.

This doesn’t happen over night. It’s down to years of mistakes, mishaps and failures with no consequences or willingness to change.
Of course, and this kind of thing takes years to fix and unfortunately that won't happen until new ownership because the current owners have no interest in fixing things.
 
Martial signed his contract on the 31st Jan 2019. His last goal before that contract was on the 22nd December, in fact he'd scored 2 goals in the 11 weeks that preceded him signing that contract. He also only scored another 2 goals in the 3 and half months to the end of the season after signing that contract. There's not a chance that he justified that new contract however somebody at Utd didn't want to be proven wrong after you spent so much on him so rather than cut your losses and sell him on the cheap or let his contract run down, he was given another big contract and you've been lumbered with him.
 
What a *** show. I'm subject to an increasing amount of Utd memes from family and friends now.

If I put Utd in an acca, just going to bet for the opponent.
 
All this pointing at Martial (as an indicator for the clubs problems) need to look at Rashford, far less injury prone and yet has similar stats. I keep saying this Rashford is the true indicator of the clubs problems... Held onto for marketability not impact. The club is so scared of calling it quits on their prodigies that they've not only held onto them when they've been woeful, they've given him a pay rise. He's always been crap, he always will be crap (said this 4 years ago). He doesn't have a football brain, it's been clear as day.

£350k a week, locked in... It's Maguire but far worse and has been there this entire time. I don't like Ole but he called it out, unfortunately the club demands that it's stars play because there's no return on investment from putting them on the bench, he told Rojo this.

I'd bet everything that ETH knows Rashford is trash, but there's nothing he can do when he's had to fight Ronaldo (500k a week), Maguire (190k) and now currently Sancho (350k). He can't suddenly just rip everyone out, player value would drop and then united are even more screwed. He has to phase them all out. And he's doing that all whilst trying to get a tune out of them to perform so we can league/CL revenue etc.

Their performances to me look like a mix of knowing they're not good enough, that they'll eventually be replaced, job/wage security is at risk and they're getting booed every week. I feel for them, it's not their fault, they were blissfully pumped up by a ridiculous football decisions. Woodward, Fletch, all of the people who have recruited the wrong player mentality and chucked big contracts at them to then watch them flounder as they don't have the ability or mentality to really perform.

You can do a similar breakdown for every player in this squad before ETH joined, and point at them and realise they're not good enough, paid too much, given too much responsibility etc. But the club invested in them so they've just bee doubling down on it for years and years. Every player that comes in under ETH (may or may not be good enough) but they're witnessing absolute ineptitude from their colleagues, and yet they're still being paid. it's hard to judge them, they've just been dropped into chaos and asked to perform.

It's a ****show situation and ETH is hamstrung until he can phase out the full squad.
 
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There is so much incorrect in that post.

The club demands it's stars play? Then why was ETH allowed to drop both Maguire and Ronaldo and now Sancho?
 
When Martial was given that contract he was first choice striker and our attack was firing. It's not like he was given that contract when he was out on loan
he was dog **** when he was given the new contract. no other club were giving him a contract of the back of his goal scoring exploits. you're arguing a situation you don't even fully understand - this is why there was no point debating it further with you.
 
For someone who keeps saying they don't want to discuss Martial you keep bringing him up...

Back to twitter with you.
that's just false. i don't keep bringing him up. you've no idea what youre talking about so you're now resorting to nonsense posting. that's not a good look fella. no idea what 'back to twitter with you' means. i'll guess it's another failed attempt at an insult or clever quip.
 
All this pointing at Martial (as an indicator for the clubs problems) need to look at Rashford, far less injury prone and yet has similar stats. I keep saying this Rashford is the true indicator of the clubs problems... Held onto for marketability not impact. The club is so scared of calling it quits on their prodigies that they've not only held onto them when they've been woeful, they've given him a pay rise. He's always been crap, he always will be crap (said this 4 years ago). He doesn't have a football brain, it's been clear as day.

£350k a week, locked in... It's Maguire but far worse and has been there this entire time. I don't like Ole but he called it out, unfortunately the club demands that it's stars play because there's no return on investment from putting them on the bench, he told Rojo this.

I'd bet everything that ETH knows Rashford is trash, but there's nothing he can do when he's had to fight Ronaldo (500k a week), Maguire (190k) and now currently Sancho (350k). He can't suddenly just rip everyone out, player value would drop and then united are even more screwed. He has to phase them all out. And he's doing that all whilst trying to get a tune out of them to perform so we can league/CL revenue etc.

Their performances to me look like a mix of knowing they're not good enough, that they'll eventually be replaced, job/wage security is at risk and they're getting booed every week. I feel for them, it's not their fault, they were blissfully pumped up by a ridiculous football decisions. Woodward, Fletch, all of the people who have recruited the wrong player mentality and chucked big contracts at them to then watch them flounder as they don't have the ability or mentality to really perform.

You can do a similar breakdown for every player in this squad before ETH joined, and point at them and realise they're not good enough, paid too much, given too much responsibility etc. But the club invested in them so they've just bee doubling down on it for years and years. Every player that comes in under ETH (may or may not be good enough) but they're witnessing absolute ineptitude from their colleagues, and yet they're still being paid. it's hard to judge them, they've just been dropped into chaos and asked to perform.

It's a ****show situation and ETH is hamstrung until he can phase out the full squad.
Rashford is simply not good enough to be a starting player for the top, top sides.
Far too often goes missing, not only in games but seemingly for months at a time!
 

Cant we have a rewind to Sir Alex doing fist bumps again, going to be a world of pain for a while I feel.

It's so weird man, we played SO WELL for the majority of last season, up until late Feb/March, when the performance just dropped off a cliff. I used to watch us last season and not even care if we went a goal behind, because you just knew we'd score at least one, we always had a goal in us and looked a threat. Garnacho getting on the ball was genuinely exciting. Rashford running at the defence almost felt like a certain goal...

I just wonder if it was a new manager bounce, even if it wasn't midseason, that gave a false sense of progress. Similar to when Ole took over and we went on that monster unbeaten run with some glorious results, like PSG away.

It's so depressing, man. Some might argue, but I genuinely am starting to question if we've made any progress since Ole.

I know we've got a lot of injuries, but I don't believe having Shaw, AWB, Martinez back in the team will suddenly transform us. We need goals, 11 goals all season! And our attacking options are all available, our best ones anyway!
 
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