Good if your not willing to release the source of the leaks then cya later, shouldnt be leaks full stop way to much poison in the club.
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Good if your not willing to release the source of the leaks then cya later, shouldnt be leaks full stop way to much poison in the club.
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It is away to Newcastle at St James' park. It was never going to be easy and despite their injuries they still got that spine which we haven't at the moment . If it wasn't for Maguire getting in the way it would have been a 1-1 draw.
Luke Shaw was playing left centre back and Dalot as left back. It was never going to be pretty.
Listening to the press makes it sound a lot worse than it really is.
Yes there are a huge magnitude of problems at the club but getting rid of ETH would be the worst thing to do.
Getting rid of problem players despite the financial implications is a must or the club will never move forward on the pitch.
Trying again to take stock of things without the immediate reaction to Saturday's result and performance...
I agree with Gary Nev - I can barely watch United games at the moment.... Been 45 years supporting the club/team and it's genuinely the first time I'm totally uninterested in watching them, so tired of the performances, so tired of watching players ambling around the pitch without any effort. "Who cares, I'm still getting my 300k a week" attitude.
They go 1-0 down, you know it's over, They go 2 up, you know they will likely draw or loose.
ETH has some of the blame, doesn't appear to know his best XI, doesn't really have any "identity" to the team/style of play.... But again the players need to take most of the blame for me. Utterly pathetic performances week after week.....
Far too many players been there under Mourhino/ETH/Van Gaal/Ole etc and they are simply not good enough. At least let the fans see some effort/some running/some passion.
It's horrible times at the moment, I'm dreading the Chelsea and Liverpool games in the next fortnight....
Far to many passengers in that squad at the moment, far too much chopping and changing players week to week, massively lacking in characters on and off the field.
Sacking the manager is NOT the answer for me, needs a top to bottom review/clear out/assessment of the club. Again, pretty much the only "high end" club in Europe without a Sporting Director.....
I agree with Gary Nev - I can barely watch United games at the moment.... Been 45 years supporting the club/team and it's genuinely the first time I'm totally uninterested in watching them, so tired of the performances, so tired of watching players ambling around the pitch without any effort. "Who cares, I'm still getting my 300k a week" attitude.
They go 1-0 down, you know it's over, They go 2 up, you know they will likely draw or loose.
ETH has some of the blame, doesn't appear to know his best XI, doesn't really have any "identity" to the team/style of play.... But again the players need to take most of the blame for me. Utterly pathetic performances week after week.....
Far too many players been there under Mourhino/ETH/Van Gaal/Ole etc and they are simply not good enough. At least let the fans see some effort/some running/some passion.
It's horrible times at the moment, I'm dreading the Chelsea and Liverpool games in the next fortnight....
Far to many passengers in that squad at the moment, far too much chopping and changing players week to week, massively lacking in characters on and off the field.
Sacking the manager is NOT the answer for me, needs a top to bottom review/clear out/assessment of the club. Again, pretty much the only "high end" club in Europe without a Sporting Director.....
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As a Villa fan I've had very a cynical reaction to Man U supporters these past few years. I just thought well, this is what it's like for the rest of us, welcome to planet earth.
Having said that though, I'm struggling to think of a team that's ever looked as tired and lifeless as United do at the moment. It's utterly depressing. There's not even any joy to be had in watching them loose anymore.
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Having said that though, I'm struggling to think of a team that's ever looked as tired and lifeless as United do at the moment. It's utterly depressing. There's not even any joy to be had in watching them loose anymore.
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There's always plenty of joy watching them lose, mostly because the fanbase are so
For once Goldbridge made a half decent point - you've got players in that defeat to Newcastle who (effectively) cost both Mourinho and OGS their jobs. So what chance has ETH got with them? There needs to be a reform off the pitch, sure. But the club also needs a 'Nigel Clough at Derby' scythe taking to the player roster, get rid of the absolute wastes of space even if it costs money because you didn't get back what you paid.
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There is so much noise around Man United. It's hard to know what is truth and what is made up for clicks because ultimately clicks = money. Logically you would say that its one or two players who know they are surplus to requirements that are feeding stories via agents to the press. The manager has been forced to retain and now play players who he clearly did not want. Maguire, McTominay, Martial, van der Beek. Maybe even Sancho was out of the plans. Fundamentally he knows those players are not good enough to play at the highest level.
FFP and the Glazers preclude a clear out and rapid rebuild so he's stuck treading water. However, that's the manager's lot at most clubs other than City and he has shown an inability to adapt when the first choice are not available. I think the pressure to win at United is so high that short term results are valued too highly at a time where the whole club needs a reset. Ten Hag has pretty low charisma and it's dipped this year as the pressure builds. That means that he becomes an easier target.Maybe it's a dutch thing as van Gaal was similar but more experienced. Pep, mini me Arteta, Klopp, Ange are big personalities who will carry a dressing room in tough times. I fear Erik's demeanour works against him especially when United players are large but fragile egos. It's no win really but there is little option but to stick with him and see what the new ownership structure brings. Tbh I can live with not winning but I can't live with not trying and the dull style of play.
Barring a miracle I think he'll be gone by January. It's what we do ad the cycle will repeat. United fans were ruined with success in the 90's and 2000's. Sadly we need to suck it up and show some humility for a bit longer.
It doesn't matter what the press say - watch the games. Also remember that in terms of our league position, most of our recent games have been against weaker opponents. Any game against a side in the top half is almost certainly going to end in defeat - that is ETH's record, and it's a disturbing one.
Ignore the opposition, the performances are poor in pretty much every game. We would have no doubt struggled against Everton if it wasn't for a wondergoal to put them on the back foot.
I am not blaming ETH alone or asking for him to go - it won't make any difference at the moment. All I would say is that if you put absolutely everything else to one side, ETH is a relatively untested manager (compared to someone like Klopp). His signings haven't been great and he has not been able to improve the squad, either in style of play or quality. There is still a huge question mark over him.
Gary Neville summed it up quite well on his podcast, the club is just horrible to watch, and that isn't because of a few injuries - they are not a factor right now.
Oh, it certainly won't be a rapid rebuild. It'll be very painful for a very long time. But what have they got to lose? They haven't won anything of note in ages anyway.
It took Liverpool two decades to get back on top of the league. Utd are only halfway through that. They should get used to the idea that it might take that long, especially if they aren't willing to sacrifice the short term.
ETH would have been much better going full Joe Kinnear on the press.
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He hasn't banned the press, just a few **** stirrers who should have been banned long ago. If you're not going to show the basic level of respect then you don't get to scrounge for scraps at the table.
What are we defining as "the basic level of respect" that the press should show to the farcical mess that Manchester Utd has been in for much of the last decade?
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Did you not read the reason the club gave? Perhaps you should go read that.
Which one of yous is Simon Bird?
Pretty savage response by the MEN a few posts above.
"Man United have reacted to 10 defeats from 21 games by banning journalists from attending Erik ten Hag's press conference."
"United have lost 10 games this season - the quickest they have broken double figures for defeats in a campaign since 1973-74, when they went down to the second tier."
Yeah, Utd wanted the press outlets to tell them what they had before printing it so that the club could get a PR statement out ahead of it. Rather than, you know, actually confront the deep-rooted problems inside the club head on.
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Ok you're just trolling because that is not the reason they gave.
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I might be taking a slightly uncharitable view of what they said. But I'd refute your statement that I'm trolling.
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Yes as I said, you deliberately changed the reason to troll. Right to reply is a common part of journalism and a given. The fact they're avoiding that shows they're just trying to make a quick buck by making things up. It's not about 'getting a pr statement' out at all.