The New European Super (borefest) League

I don't get how Man Utd and Liverpool go from

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/africa/54510898

to this Super League BS.

edit: Unless it was all a big ploy, as a precursor for a super league. Devalue the EPL tv rights in the future and you aren't actually giving anything away, as you'll get it back in the new league.

edit2: Reading the article above a bit more, it is exactly that.
 
ik9000 said:
You say that, but when the Premier League concept was put forward some said it was a bluff but it quickly came to be reality and the football league couldn't stop it.
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That's true and one day this will happen but there's a difference between this and the Premier League. There wasn't the same level of opposition to the PL as there will be this League nor was there the potential for it to have got nearly as messy as this but again, this is going to happen one day but who knows when. Ultimately everything these clubs want they hope to get by staying within the CL format - talks with UEFA have been ongoing for years around the reformat of the CL and they've got most of what they want already. As I've said a couple of times in this thread, the final sticking point appears to be around the running of the competition with the biggest sides wanting more say with reportedly UEFA either not agreeing to this or initially agreeing to it then changing their mind.
 
BaZ87 said:
You really get caught up in the hysteria around these things @Bigpig. Do you not think these clubs would have known about the reaction these plans would attract? Just like the previous Project Big Picture stuff, it's all one big negotiation with bluff and counter bluff. Nobody is getting kicked out of Leagues and the government won't do anything. They were going to step in over the PL's failure to offer a sufficient bailout to the EFL, when the greedy small 14 didn't want to help, but the government done **** all.
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Oo yes I sure do. Can hardly get excited watching football under Steve Bruce now can I :p
 
I think it’s an awful idea. Fans have enough expense following their team around the country. To ask them to stump up to follow around Europe is scandalous.

But since when has football given a **** about fans.
 
chroniclard said:
Much as I would like to see a league like this, obvious "big club" bias aside, its a terrible idea.
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A European Super League per se isn't a terrible thing, it's the closed shop nature that people won't like. The CL is already being reformatted to include a bigger League stage so much of this will happen one way or another.
chrcoluk said:
Good news Baz?
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It's hardly news at all. It's been going on for the past 10-20 years and like the every other time before it will end with UEFA giving the biggest clubs more of what they want and them agreeing to stay.
 
Away games for those clubs would become interesting - you have to wonder if away attendance would drop when a trip to Europe is less of a novelty with a bit variety and is instead just a relatively expensive trip to the same small handful of cities.

I also think as much as the PL would lose value without these teams, if they were kicked out, would the clubs themselves maybe lose a bit of 'value' in fans eyes with a relatively limited set of non local opposition, far less 'local banter' etc.
 
muon said:
German clubs are massively owned by fans. That is why they won't be joining this any time soon.
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Probably, this is the inevitability of football as the absolute business it has become today, CEO's get together and decide to cut out the middle men (ie. FA and UEFA) and offer their product directly, maintain all of the benefits (£££) with no punishment for a bad season.

Isn't this similar to how the Premier League was formed in the first place? teams deciding they're bigger than the rest and breaking away? so the FA can hardly take the moral high ground.

If we really have a free market economy then there's nothing anyone can really do.
 
mmj_uk said:
Probably, this is the inevitability of football as the absolute business it has become today, CEO's get together and decide to cut out the middle men (ie. FA and UEFA) and offer their product directly, maintain all of the benefits (£££) with no punishment for a bad season.

Isn't this similar to how the Premier League was formed in the first place? so the FA can hardly take the moral high ground.
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Pretty much yea
 
BaZ87 said:
I suspect UEFA have known of these talks for a long time, they get leaked before every UEFA meeting regarding the format of the CL. It's all brinkmanship though. Although I think it's going to happen one day, I don't think these clubs want to breakaway at the moment but they're going to use the threat of it to get what they want. The PL, La Liga, Serie A & the CL has no value without the biggest clubs and these clubs know that and so do these Leagues and the rest of the sides in them - a compromise will be reached.

The worst thing about these situations is the hypocritical crowing of supporters of smaller PL clubs. Clubs that have done to the EFL what the big 6 want to do to them.
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Who was behind the forming of the PL?

You talk as if the entire football structure is nothing without the giant clubs, one of the reasons England e.g. is considered to have the best football competition in the world is by the fact it has so many professional clubs.

God knows what state the PL would be in now if it wasnt for the voting structure.
 
BaZ87 said:
It's hardly news at all. It's been going on for the past 10-20 years and like the every other time before it will end with UEFA giving the biggest clubs more of what they want and them agreeing to stay.
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The control they want is control over other teams finances and making sure they can't upset things by spending money.
 
chrcoluk said:
Who was behind the forming of the PL?

You talk as if the entire football structure is nothing without the giant clubs, one of the reasons England e.g. is considered to have the best football competition in the world is by the fact it has so many professional clubs.

God knows what state the PL would be in now if it wasnt for the voting structure.
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The biggest EFL sides :confused:

I'm not talking about the structure of the football pyramid, my comments are on the financial realities. The owners of the other 14 PL sides will not kick out the biggest sides in the PL. It's financial suicide and the value of their asset is too important to them.

We see these debates every x years when TV contracts are being renegotiated. An idea will be floated by one of the bigger clubs, everybody will be outraged and then a compromise is reached with the smaller clubs agreeing to give more money to the bigger clubs. It's going to keep happening until one day when maybe a European Super League does happen.

robfosters said:
Not as part of a regular domestic season.
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What does that matter to the point you were making? Supporters of these clubs already have to travel around Europe to follow their club. The reformatted CL will increase the number of games too - this League, even if it were to happen, would be no different to what supporters will be faced with playing in the CL.
 
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