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Or the strap? 
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I'm more of a Pentax strap man myself... 
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The IDC and the C300 are very very different. One has pro audio xlr inputs, an electronic viewfinder with zebras, ND filters, to name just a few of the essentials when shooting video.
The 1DC is a DSLR that shoots 4K... but when shooting 4K its cropped to 1.3x and it uses 4GB per minute of footage... perhaps you'll want to use some of your budget on memory cards.
In order for you to get your 1DC to shoot like a C300, you will have to spend a lot more money than it costs to buy a C300.. The 1DC is a specialist tool and not suited to the same task.
A set of Prime Cine lenses are a small fortune, £10,000 for a 24,50 and 85mm prime.. Thats why those who actually purchase the C300/100 tend to use EF/EFS lenses...
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Haha I've paid for every penny of my photography equipment with my own money, sorry. The D800 I borrowed money for but I'll have paid it back as soon as I've sold my Canon gear.
The full frame 1DC on a 1.3x crop is less cropped than the super35 format of the C100/C300 cameras.
The C300 costs £10,000, two of them £20,000 versus £16,000 for two 1DCs - you could save even more going to say a 5D2 and 1DC setup.
If it's for a learning point I could perhaps see why a proper film camera would be helpful but I don't see the C300 as being worth it particularly without the lenses for it.
As it is, you have to correct for colour signatures of lenses, use lenses that weren't designed for the sensor size and deal with not having proper focusing methods for the sake of having two C300s over two 1DCs or heck even a set of 5Ds.
The 1DC is perhaps a specialist tool, but then maybe the 5D2 video was as well, but you need only look out how revolutionary it was and how many people use it to see that it's not actually /that/ specialised.
I certainly see that a C300 is perhaps a very useful tool for videographers, but at uni? I'd much sooner see HDSLR work as 5D2s are much cheaper and so students can use them outside of the classroom more readily rather than teaching students to use equipment that they'll be very unlikely to actually use outside the course.
The full frame 1DC on a 1.3x crop is less cropped than the super35 format of the C100/C300 cameras.
The C300 costs £10,000, two of them £20,000 versus £16,000 for two 1DCs - you could save even more going to say a 5D2 and 1DC setup.
If it's for a learning point I could perhaps see why a proper film camera would be helpful but I don't see the C300 as being worth it particularly without the lenses for it.
As it is, you have to correct for colour signatures of lenses, use lenses that weren't designed for the sensor size and deal with not having proper focusing methods for the sake of having two C300s over two 1DCs or heck even a set of 5Ds.
The 1DC is perhaps a specialist tool, but then maybe the 5D2 video was as well, but you need only look out how revolutionary it was and how many people use it to see that it's not actually /that/ specialised.
I certainly see that a C300 is perhaps a very useful tool for videographers, but at uni? I'd much sooner see HDSLR work as 5D2s are much cheaper and so students can use them outside of the classroom more readily rather than teaching students to use equipment that they'll be very unlikely to actually use outside the course.
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The 1DC is very different in the fact that it is ridiculously expensive for what it is. The 5dmk2 started the DSLR revolution because it was affordable and you could build on that.
In terms of correction for lenses...the differences are minuscule. The C300 came in EF and PL mount because they wanted people to adopt the C line into their DSLR workflow... interchanging lenses with gear they already own.
I speak to several people online who own C camera's, none of them use Cine lenses.. In fact, several use the cheaper EFS lenses...
There would be very little difference in the quality and colour rendition of images produced when using the Cine primes over L glass on the C range of camera's.
The C100 is an affordable option for students, arguably more affordable than a rigged DSLR...
I'm sorry for the cheap shot (edited) but I found your responses to Rizzee to be hostile and a little curt tbh.. and for someone who appears to be intent on improving things on the forum, being a little more friendly would be a quality that would go a long way to doing that..
In terms of correction for lenses...the differences are minuscule. The C300 came in EF and PL mount because they wanted people to adopt the C line into their DSLR workflow... interchanging lenses with gear they already own.
I speak to several people online who own C camera's, none of them use Cine lenses.. In fact, several use the cheaper EFS lenses...
There would be very little difference in the quality and colour rendition of images produced when using the Cine primes over L glass on the C range of camera's.
The C100 is an affordable option for students, arguably more affordable than a rigged DSLR...
I'm sorry for the cheap shot (edited) but I found your responses to Rizzee to be hostile and a little curt tbh.. and for someone who appears to be intent on improving things on the forum, being a little more friendly would be a quality that would go a long way to doing that..
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I think the reason it exists is probably because hollywood etc like to use SLRs in action movies etc as they can compact them into tiny crevices/corners etc.
Fair enough. I was originally under the impression the c300 was over double the 1dc, so it seemed a little more ridiculous to me then than now. I'd still rate pull focusing etc above individual camera knowledge in terms of relevance to working on set in real life but then that might just be me.
Aye in the avengers film, DSLRs where used under cars and in boxes that got blown up etc to give unique camera angles that couldn't be done with the big expensive video cameras they use.
Don't like it.
I've been borrowing a D800 to play with and I'm not that keen on the actual camera. I know the camera will produce amazing images but from purely how the camera feels, i don't really like it personally. The lens is clunky and doesn't feel as nice as a L, the focus ring in particular must be broken as it's very loose. Maybe i was expecting more?
Taking out a Mark 3 next week.
EDIT - One major gripe i have and Im not sure if it's working 100% correctly is the shocking AF...i'm comparing to my 5Dii and i'm having less hunting on a 5Dii than the D800...somethings not right there is it?
This could possibly all be excuses in my head so that I don't jump ship!
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I have to say, without prompting a war, it does look less ergonomic versus Canon equivalent.
Coming from a 5D classic which has the ergonomics of a brick I don't think I'll mind the D800 ergonomics too much, but I've heard a fair few D700 owners saying the D800 grip is too thin.
As for feeling clunky, that may well just be a muscle memory thing - since everything that is clockwise on Canon is anticlockwise on Nikon etc. you might just be thinking that having to actually think which way you turn stuff makes it feel clunky? The 24-70 is a pretty damn incredible lens so I have it's just mistaking muscle memory and familiarity with one system for a fail in intuition on another?
AF definitely sounds wrong. Perhaps your friend has one of the dodgy AF copies from the early runs and just never updated it? As for the light focusing ring, I've never used either the L or the Nikon but if it feels like there is play in it, there's definitely something wrong, but if it's just lighter than the 24-70L then that might just be a design difference.
As for feeling clunky, that may well just be a muscle memory thing - since everything that is clockwise on Canon is anticlockwise on Nikon etc. you might just be thinking that having to actually think which way you turn stuff makes it feel clunky? The 24-70 is a pretty damn incredible lens so I have it's just mistaking muscle memory and familiarity with one system for a fail in intuition on another?
AF definitely sounds wrong. Perhaps your friend has one of the dodgy AF copies from the early runs and just never updated it? As for the light focusing ring, I've never used either the L or the Nikon but if it feels like there is play in it, there's definitely something wrong, but if it's just lighter than the 24-70L then that might just be a design difference.
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I'm relatively savvy on all DSLRs and their layouts so it's not that. I agree that you get used to a certain way of zooming but i can shake that pretty quickly. To be honest though, Sony make the most intuitive and fun cameras to use. Their layout is somewhere in between Nikons and Canons.
Yeah, the lens doesn't feel right. I was always under the impression that the Nikon 24-70 was the dogs so I'm a little bit underwhelmed. The AF shouldn't be worse than my 5Dii in low light as the AF on that is shockingly bad! Looking at some images tonight that was taken with some battery powered elinchrom heads it's not blowing me away just yet. I know i'll love the ability to push and pull stuff with this sensor though.
The lack of a bulge at the top of the camera means that your thumb sits in a very awkward position and never really feels at home, I do like the little indent in the grip though. Not sure if i'd grow to love that shutter sound either!
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Yeah, the lens doesn't feel right. I was always under the impression that the Nikon 24-70 was the dogs so I'm a little bit underwhelmed. The AF shouldn't be worse than my 5Dii in low light as the AF on that is shockingly bad! Looking at some images tonight that was taken with some battery powered elinchrom heads it's not blowing me away just yet. I know i'll love the ability to push and pull stuff with this sensor though.
The lack of a bulge at the top of the camera means that your thumb sits in a very awkward position and never really feels at home, I do like the little indent in the grip though. Not sure if i'd grow to love that shutter sound either!
Firmware Version: A - 1.00 B - 1.01 C - 1.006
EDIT - Here's the focus ring
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