The next James Bond could be...
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Caporegime
Not so much as I'm still waiting for a good answer to the question. I don't even particularly care, to be honest. It's not like I'm actively campaigning for a black Bond, more just bewildered as to why people are so vehemently against it.
Soldato
It's been answered. It's just not the answer that you want.
Man of Honour
Heh. Can we at least agree that QoS was rubbish?
Yes we can, it was a flabby and rubbish film. It felt like it should have been part of a slightly lengthened cut of Casino Royale and with a bit of good editing it could have been. It also had the worst title of a Bond ever.
To be fair to Vonhelmet he did specify a good answer and he clearly feels that none of the arguments advanced meet that criteria. It seems to mainly be "Bond should be white because that's what he has been before". It's an argument but not a particularly convincing one for my money when lots of things have been changed in the series of films.
Caporegime
lets make him a dwarf instead,now that I would pay to see
Caporegime
I agree that nobody has addressed this point satisfactorily yet, and I'm not particularly militant either way.
Why is it not OK for his skin to be different to the books, yet it's fine for the rest of his physical attributes to be different? People are assigning too much to skin colour whereas in reality it's just another genetic variable.
Could work.
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Soldato
Personally I think he would be a great James Bond!
That's actually not true. Whereas to us well-integrated Brits it may just be "another genetic variable", don't forget (and I mentioned this already in the thread) that many of Bonds mortal enemies, and lovers, were Russian. In Russia, a racist and intolerant country by and large, there is zero chance a black operative could blend in and do his job as Bond has done throughout his career. Fact.
This really is common sense!
Caporegime
Whereas everything else about Bond is true to life and completely realistic.
That is an absolute cop-out to addressing the very valid point I made.
Of course it's not "true to life", but suspension of disbelief has certain requirements that need to be fulfilled in order to make a movie credible to the viewer. A black operating discreetly in Russia would be a glaring, glaring exception to that rule.
Man of Honour
It's funny where people draw the line in terms of suspension of disbelief - secret moonbase no bother, villains lair in volcano fine, car that transforms into a submarine A-OK but Russians not being racist equals "no chance, I can't buy that".
I can appreciate that people do have different points at which they can no longer buy into the film but I think you're picking an odd one to hang your hat on. There have been lots of changes between book and film but that's part of interpretation and transition of media. Ian Fleming probably didn't envisage a black character playing the part but then I don't think he initially intended them to be films either, there's so many things that aren't "true" to the books it's somewhat peculiar to nail this one down as the point where it all falls apart.
It's not an odd one at all... a moon base is far more believable than a black spy infiltrating or cavorting around Russia... surely that is common sense considering our minds allow for the latter fantasy of a moon base that we have never seen, but not for the former which we know beyond any doubt is a daily part of life.
As for the movie point, no-one writes a book intending for it to become a movie... a good book is then chosen to become a movie because of how good, original, and transferrable to the silver screen it is. Fleming was also alive when the first Bond movie rights were purchased and the first movie released, so its safe to say he had some input into it.
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No Caucasian or black person would, so it's a bit of an, erm, moot point really.
So we just dismiss character background and lore now just because, well why the hell not?
Why not just forget everything gone before.
Let's have a white shaft, a white Mr T. Just because we can.
Why not go full hog and make Mr Bond a Muslim, mines a non alcoholic becks please, a game of blackjack to catch the terrorist, erm yeah about that....not sure I can do that, you know, religion and all.....won't need to meet different women to seduce them he can just have a hareem of women across the globe.
Why not have Jane Bond, the lesbian spy, or Mrs T the Russian wrestler in the A Team.....
Why not just forget everything gone before.
Let's have a white shaft, a white Mr T. Just because we can.
Why not go full hog and make Mr Bond a Muslim, mines a non alcoholic becks please, a game of blackjack to catch the terrorist, erm yeah about that....not sure I can do that, you know, religion and all.....won't need to meet different women to seduce them he can just have a hareem of women across the globe.
Why not have Jane Bond, the lesbian spy, or Mrs T the Russian wrestler in the A Team.....
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Soldato
Sadly yes because we all have to pretend to be the same to ensure nobody gets upset.
However it's only acceptable for black people to play traditionally white characters.
You're clearly a vicious racist if you suggest a white man pretend to be black, i.e. White Shaft.
I'm going to ask Disney if Lando Calrissian can be played by Mikey Rourke in the next Star Wars. There's no reason why he couldn't be white.
However it's only acceptable for black people to play traditionally white characters.
You're clearly a vicious racist if you suggest a white man pretend to be black, i.e. White Shaft.
I'm going to ask Disney if Lando Calrissian can be played by Mikey Rourke in the next Star Wars. There's no reason why he couldn't be white.
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Bring back George Lazenby!
Soldato
It is OK, Idris isn't going to be Bond. They have found someone else.