The OcUK Powerlifting Totals

From scratch? :eek:
I don't mind as long as people post it in the right format and I just have to copy-paste a line.

I assume we should leave that up for discussion though, I can start by removing inactive posters, just agree on their names.
I'll let the peepwhole decide, you lot vote and I'm happy to oblige either way.
 
Monkee I was trying to think of the best way of posting that exact suggestion, and just gave up in the end :)

I am all for a new table for active members. Shall we suggest that in the new year cristian clears the table he has in the op except for the members who are clearly active, then if you want to get added just post up your info if you have been missed?
 
I really think we should push for videos too, especially for new guys. It becomes a bit pointless if people can just rock up with the right amount of posts yet are inactive in the gym threads and get their numbers included.
 
icecold said:
I really think we should push for videos too, especially for new guys. It becomes a bit pointless if people can just rock up with the right amount of posts yet are inactive in the gym threads and get their numbers included.
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Totally this.
 
Cristian said:
It is indeed.
However, you need to bear in mind that being heavier means for the vast majority of the lifters here simply being taller. More bone mass, more weight. Some of us are just fatter. If we were talking about 2 lifters of same height, similar bodyfats but different weights (one having more muscle) then the epicness is indeed outstanding.

For example - see this guy here with a 4.5bw deadlift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8Ohaq_yrHeA
when you weigh as much as a sparrow's fart it's possible to do so (although exceptionally rare)
Double his bodyweight and see if you can double the deadlift.;) Not even the likes of Andy Bolton etc can touch that ratio

Similar for olympic clean & jerk. World record at 56kg is 168kg, 3times bw. Yet the massive 100kg guys will never ever catch 300kg. Both lifters being at the super elite world champions end of the scale.

Simply put - bodyweight and weight lifted do not increase proportionally. Hence why I for one take things like power to weight ratio with a pinch of salt.

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I disagree - I think power:weight ratio is very important irrespective of height. I find a 56kg person lifting 168kg in C&J more impressive than a 105kg person doing 250kg.
 
Yeah I find nothing more impressive than a Leafcutter Ant carring 50 times its bodyweight.

btw I seem to be on the list twice.
 
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Cristian said:
It is indeed.
However, you need to bear in mind that being heavier means for the vast majority of the lifters here simply being taller. More bone mass, more weight. Some of us are just fatter. If we were talking about 2 lifters of same height, similar bodyfats but different weights (one having more muscle) then the epicness is indeed outstanding.

For example - see this guy here with a 4.5bw deadlift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8Ohaq_yrHeA
when you weigh as much as a sparrow's fart it's possible to do so (although exceptionally rare)
Double his bodyweight and see if you can double the deadlift.;) Not even the likes of Andy Bolton etc can touch that ratio

Similar for olympic clean & jerk. World record at 56kg is 168kg, 3times bw. Yet the massive 100kg guys will never ever catch 300kg. Both lifters being at the super elite world champions end of the scale.

Simply put - bodyweight and weight lifted do not increase proportionally. Hence why I for one take things like power to weight ratio with a pinch of salt.

Updated everybody else.
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I feel exactly the same when it comes to strength to weight ratios, it only means as much as you want it to mean really.

Some people lift weights for different reasons, some people aren't bothered at all about "cutting" and being super lean and instead just focus on muscle and strength building (this is where I fit myself in to it). One of my friends likes to talk about strength to weight ratios a lot and places a lot of importance on them, but at the time he completely forgot that my squat relative to my weight was significantly higher than his squat relative to his weight (I squatted about 2x as much, whilst being about 50% heavier, we both do full ROM though too).

Though we are both very genetically different when it comes to weight lifting, he likes to say I'm very genetically predisposed to power lifting and muscle gaining since it seems to come on quite quick for me. If I have an extended break (like I'm currently doing :() I don't lose a noticeable amount of mass, and my strength drops a max of 10%.
 
Cristian said:
It's much worse for benching if you're tall.
If you've got short arms and a big chest then you touch your chest with the bar without even coming close to 90 degrees on your arms, which is a great position of power.
If on the other hand you're 6ft 2 like me even with correct bench positioning and wide grip you have to go past 90 degrees between your forearm and upper arm which makes it much much harder leverage wise and increases your shoulder injury chances exponentially.

LiE - but they're so good man. :(
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Those type of people do that not because of their physical size, but because of the stupid way they bench press. They bring the bar down low, to like middle of their torso, and they lie on the bench with their back really arched.

It's reasons like that (as well as parallel squats) that made my lose respect for "official" power lifting federations, it's like a parody of itself.

LiE said:
Cristian, I go way past 90 degress on bench to touch my chest and it hasn't held me back. (i.e http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVizvtmF6jU)
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Interestingly, in your video when your arms are 90 degrees, the bar is only half way down as well.

You also look like you're flat-backed on the bench, none of that ridiculous back archery that is some how allowed in official powerlifting.
 
Freefaller said:
I disagree - I think power:weight ratio is very important irrespective of height. I find a 56kg person lifting 168kg in C&J more impressive than a 105kg person doing 250kg.
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It depends on how you look at it really. There is a distinct lack of "lean" lifters in the top weight brackets of olympic lifting.

At the upper end of the olympic lifting "spectrum" you don't have to worry about your weight as much, and fitting within strict weight brackets.

105KG+ lifters tend to have bellies and a fair amount of body fat relative to the lower brackets.

So on that basis, it places less emphasis/importance on the strength to weight ratio because the smaller guys are only that low a weight because they've been cutting and trying very hard to keep their weight within "spec".

It's almost like a different sport in that regard, and probably a lot easier for the larger guys because they just need to focus on their lifts.
 
spoffle said:
It depends on how you look at it really. There is a distinct lack of "lean" lifters in the top weight brackets of olympic lifting.

At the upper end of the olympic lifting "spectrum" you don't have to worry about your weight as much, and fitting within strict weight brackets.

105KG+ lifters tend to have bellies and a fair amount of body fat relative to the lower brackets.

So on that basis, it places less emphasis/importance on the strength to weight ratio because the smaller guys are only that low a weight because they've been cutting and trying very hard to keep their weight within "spec".

It's almost like a different sport in that regard, and probably a lot easier for the larger guys because they just need to focus on their lifts.
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I'm not talking about being lean - I'm talking about power to weight ratio.

Why are you bringing bodyfat into this?

Sure, to get into certain weight classes in competitions, sure people lose a bit of weight, but their strength doesn't get worse. That's for full on powerlifting.

For strongman sort of strength, these people are freaks of nature (as well as artificially enhanced ;)) where bodyfat is irrelevant - these people are massively strong though, and I'm 100% impressed and in awe. However, I have even MORE respect and more impressed by the 50kg girl that can shift 3x her bodyweight above her head.

I've said this before, if I could choose 1 physique, between arnie or a top class male gymnast, I'd choose the gymnast - being able to manipulate my bodyweight with their ease is incredible - and they are lean, if you'er into that. :)
 
I brought body fat in to it because it's a factor in the power to weight ratio, everything is in that regard no matter how small or large a contribution. It's non-functional mass (in terms of power production/strength) but still "matters" or counts towards a power to strength ratio.

Cutting can have a detrimental effect on strength though, which is why I brought that up to, and suggested that it's probably easier for the larger/heavier olympic lifters in training terms, than it is for the lighter smaller.

I'm not so sure about 50KG girls getting 150KG over their heads though. :p
 
No but that's the point. Irrespective of bodyfat, power to weight is still valid.

Even if you have 2 6 foot lifters weighing 100kg, even if one has 20% bf and one is 10% bf - the power to weight ratio is the same, just one is fatter than the other. That's a personal choice. MAkes no difference.

As for the 50kg woman.. ok 53kg @ 131 C&J - but my example was just to make a point since you're being so pedantic...
 
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