****The Official 5G Home Broadband Thread**** (Three/EE/Vodafone/etc)

Hey. :) No nothing has arrived yet sadly. It might come in the post today, usually around 1ish. If not I'm guessing it'll defo be tomorrow.

Wow haha you're building it up now. Watch it be totally pants for me. Lol.

Lol, I'm just lucky that even though I'm the best part of 3km away from the cells, I have a clear line of sight, and the cell mast(s) is a big one with lots of backhaul.

Let's hope it arrives today and got can get it tested. I assume your going to be pointing in the same direction for the signal?
 
Lol, I'm just lucky that even though I'm the best part of 3km away from the cells, I have a clear line of sight, and the cell mast(s) is a big one with lots of backhaul.

Let's hope it arrives today and got can get it tested. I assume your going to be pointing in the same direction for the signal?

I'd love to have that here haha.

So no SIM arrived with the post sadly. Looking like tomorrow; we'll have to sit on our excitment for another 24hrs. :D

Yeah the external antenna is pointing to the masts I know have 5G after doing more coverage checks with providers earlier. The hot spots are always in the same area. So that is about 4KM away. With the 5G antenna pointing to those masts I get good signal report on the n78 band. RSRP -74db, RSRQ -11db and SINR 31db. Sadly, the Zyxel locks 4G freq. ranges to internal antenna only. Which is frustrating. For b3 I'm connected to the closest mast about 2KM away with RSRP -97db, RSRQ -12db and SINR 8db. I'll do a speedtest with this same setup and see how it compares then I'll flick to b7. B7 is located on the same masts where 5G is. So again 4KM away. I'm on cell edge when using b7 but I get a healthy speed bost, but my RSRP drops to roughly -112db with an SINR of roughly 2db. If only Zyxel would allow external to mean external! I raised a ticket and they said they would "take it under consideration". :rolleyes:

On n78 + b3 I get about 250MB DL and 45MB UL with speedtest reporting the ping at around 60ms. And on n78 + b7 I get about 370MB DL and 30MB UL with speedtest reporting a better ping around 45ms.

That is what the Smarty SIM has to compete against. :)
 
I'd love to have that here haha.

So no SIM arrived with the post sadly. Looking like tomorrow; we'll have to sit on our excitment for another 24hrs. :D

Boooooo.


Yeah the external antenna is pointing to the masts I know have 5G after doing more coverage checks with providers earlier. The hot spots are always in the same area. So that is about 4KM away. With the 5G antenna pointing to those masts I get good signal report on the n78 band. RSRP -74db, RSRQ -11db and SINR 31db. Sadly, the Zyxel locks 4G freq. ranges to internal antenna only. Which is frustrating. For b3 I'm connected to the closest mast about 2KM away with RSRP -97db, RSRQ -12db and SINR 8db. I'll do a speedtest with this same setup and see how it compares then I'll flick to b7. B7 is located on the same masts where 5G is. So again 4KM away. I'm on cell edge when using b7 but I get a healthy speed bost, but my RSRP drops to roughly -112db with an SINR of roughly 2db. If only Zyxel would allow external to mean external! I raised a ticket and they said they would "take it under consideration". :rolleyes:

That pretty poor from Zyxel really. That B7 connection is a bit iffy at -112db and a SINR of 2db.

On n78 + b3 I get about 250MB DL and 45MB UL with speedtest reporting the ping at around 60ms. And on n78 + b7 I get about 370MB DL and 30MB UL with speedtest reporting a better ping around 45ms.

That is what the Smarty SIM has to compete against.

Some pretty tough competition then, lets hope your local mast isn't massively oversubscribed or not configured with a good level of equipment to fully support higher speeds.
 
Well I suppose they say nothing ventured nothing gained. But this was a bit fat flop for me. :D

New SIM arrived this afternoon
SMARTY-SIM.jpg


And here is B3 with N77 and N78 bands enabled (basically it would only connect LTE and this is utterly shocking for LTE)
Smarty-LTE-B1.jpg


So I tried B1 with N77 and N78 bands enabled (managed to get 5G NSA this time. Hold on to your hats)
Smarty-5-GNSA-B3.jpg


And just for comparison, this is back on EE (speeds slightly less than what I normally see as I ran these all from my phone. Normally I do them from the main PC).

Here is 5G NSA on B3 with N78
EE-5-GNSA-B3.jpg


Here is 5G NSA on B1 with N78
EE-5-GNSA-B1.jpg


Safe to say I cancelled the renewal lol :)
 
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Where you connecting to the same cell, and did you confirm the cell ID? How were the connection stats?

Yeah B3 is same tower, just checked on cell mapper. Cell ID changes between EE and 3 (Smarty) but it's same tower and pattern is same direction. On 3 (Smarty) I had RSRP -99db, RSRQ -17db, SINR -2db. On EE I had RSQP -93db, RSRQ -9db, SINR 8db. I made sure to grab a screenshot of the router stats for each. :) And remember that for me the 4G LTE is fixed to the internal antenna of the router. So I can only assume EE has a beefier setup on that mast compared to 3 (Smarty).

For B1 I can't find the cell ID on cellmapper for 3 (Smarty). Stats were RSRP -112db, RSRQ -19db, SINR -4db whereas on EE RSRP -116db, RSRQ -14db, SINR 4db. As we know for B1 I'm going to the mast 4KM away and pretty much at the limit of the internal antenna. I'd assume it was the same mast as there's nothing else that is B1 that is close enough and the stats seem very similar.
 
Yeah B3 is same tower, just checked on cell mapper. Cell ID changes between EE and 3 (Smarty) but it's same tower and pattern is same direction. On 3 (Smarty) I had RSRP -99db, RSRQ -17db, SINR -2db. On EE I had RSQP -93db, RSRQ -9db, SINR 8db. I made sure to grab a screenshot of the router stats for each. :) And remember that for me the 4G LTE is fixed to the internal antenna of the router. So I can only assume EE has a beefier setup on that mast compared to 3 (Smarty).

For B1 I can't find the cell ID on cellmapper for 3 (Smarty). Stats were RSRP -112db, RSRQ -19db, SINR -4db whereas on EE RSRP -116db, RSRQ -14db, SINR 4db. As we know for B1 I'm going to the mast 4KM away and pretty much at the limit of the internal antenna. I'd assume it was the same mast as there's nothing else that is B1 that is close enough and the stats seem very similar.

Might be worth trying it out they fix the antenna issue with the router. Sounds to me like you are getting the vast majority of the speed out of the 4G on EE.
Do you have a 5G enabled phone? If so you should put the Smarty SIM in it and take a trip close to the mast and see what happens, it could be that you are getting no 5G from it at all.
 
Might be worth trying it out they fix the antenna issue with the router. Sounds to me like you are getting the vast majority of the speed out of the 4G on EE.
Do you have a 5G enabled phone? If so you should put the Smarty SIM in it and take a trip close to the mast and see what happens, it could be that you are getting no 5G from it at all.

Yeah I get 5G on my phone, I might pop it in and test for sure. Yeah I really need Zyxel to change that behaviour as I think it is totally holding it back. Here's this powerful (peak 12db) directional antenna on the roof covering the whole freq. range and the router won't touch it for anything lower than 3600Mhz (or whatever it is). Grr.

I reached out to Dlink via their support form asking if their Router honoured the external antenna or acted the same as the Zyxel, and if the bands could be changed manually. No response. Last time I remember chatting with them and they were useless as well. I looked through the online user guide and the interface didn't show any sort of settings to mess with the bands independantly. So the only other Router that I can see which has external antenna is the Oppo 5G CPE Omni. So I emailed Oppo UK to be told they only deal with phones and stuff and to contact Oppo Digital in Germany. The support form can only be completed if you actually own an Oppo product. No way to contact them with general tech enquiries apart from calling Germany - great so that is an 18p/min call on the mobile just to have a question answered. I found another Oppo email for sales but I think it could be in the US. So far, no reply to that either.

I could go back to the original Huawei CPE Pro as the Pro 2 doesn't have external antenna - but I remember the bands were iffy and you had to use a 3rd party app on your mobile to force the bands. Not ideal. But I sold this prematurely before 5G NSA really was available. Might be worth a revist.

I've tried the TCL / Alcatel unit which I just couldn't get to work with the external antenna - could have been a dodgy unit (I did return it) but once bitten...

Linksys have a 5G unit but again no external antenna support.

Struggling to think of any others I may have missed haha.
 
I could go back to the original Huawei CPE Pro as the Pro 2 doesn't have external antenna - but I remember the bands were iffy and you had to use a 3rd party app on your mobile to force the bands. Not ideal. But I sold this prematurely before 5G NSA really was available. Might be worth a revist.

That would seem like one of the best things to test. I've seen a couple of units sell on eBay for under £200, and some even unlocked for that price and it is the easiest way to test the external antenna, it not likely you'll ever lose money on it if you kept it a couple of months then sold it on. Patience pays off as well, no point in buying one at £300 and finding it isn't doing what you want anyhow.

I've tried the TCL / Alcatel unit which I just couldn't get to work with the external antenna - could have been a dodgy unit (I did return it) but once bitten...

Yes I recall the issue with the TS9 connectors, or them not being correct.

Struggling to think of any others I may have missed haha.

I'll have a look, see if I can find any other options.
 
That would seem like one of the best things to test. I've seen a couple of units sell on eBay for under £200, and some even unlocked for that price and it is the easiest way to test the external antenna, it not likely you'll ever lose money on it if you kept it a couple of months then sold it on. Patience pays off as well, no point in buying one at £300 and finding it isn't doing what you want anyhow.



Yes I recall the issue with the TS9 connectors, or them not being correct.



I'll have a look, see if I can find any other options.

Cheers that's helpful! :) I've marked one or two on ebay to watch. Don't finish until next week though.
 
@Journey I wonder if i'd have better joy with the Zyxel NR7101 outdoor model? It has 6 built in directional antenna for 4G/5G with a peak 10dbi gain. So they'd have to connect to where I point it. Also comes with an app to help show where to position the device. :) The device is PoE but I don't think that is a problem? I have no experiecne with PoE but watching the setup video it appears to come with a converter of some sorts, and it looks like one LAN cable goes to the deivce and then you use another LAN cable to connect to the WAN port of another Router (in this case I would use my Orbi like I do now). If it works I'd have to sell the NR5101 and antenna to try and recover some costs. £573 is the cheapest I can find it for. Interface looks just as good as the NR5101 which is perfect.
 
@Journey I wonder if i'd have better joy with the Zyxel NR7101 outdoor model? It has 6 built in directional antenna for 4G/5G with a peak 10dbi gain. So they'd have to connect to where I point it. Also comes with an app to help show where to position the device. :) The device is PoE but I don't think that is a problem? I have no experiecne with PoE but watching the setup video it appears to come with a converter of some sorts, and it looks like one LAN cable goes to the deivce and then you use another LAN cable to connect to the WAN port of another Router (in this case I would use my Orbi like I do now). If it works I'd have to sell the NR5101 and antenna to try and recover some costs. £573 is the cheapest I can find it for. Interface looks just as good as the NR5101 which is perfect.

OK bought the NR7101. :p It would seem to be the answer over an indoor unit. I have the pole so may as well move the solution all outside. If it looks like it won't work I'll return it for a refund within 14 days. And if it does work, I will sell the NR5101 with the antenna. It will do someone very nicely!
 
OK bought the NR7101. :p It would seem to be the answer over an indoor unit. I have the pole so may as well move the solution all outside. If it looks like it won't work I'll return it for a refund within 14 days. And if it does work, I will sell the NR5101 with the antenna. It will do someone very nicely!

Ha, I was out and about, so far too quick to respond before you bought it. :D

PoE is pretty simple usually you'll get an injector which is just a normal AC/DC adapter but with an ethernet port on the end where the jack end would come out, you connect the ethernet to this and the other end to the device, and you may also have a data only port on the injector which you run back to your other devices switch/router etc.

I've not looked at the NR7101, but it certainly sounds good and as you say if it makes no improvement send it back. :)
 
Ha, I was out and about, so far too quick to respond before you bought it. :D

PoE is pretty simple usually you'll get an injector which is just a normal AC/DC adapter but with an ethernet port on the end where the jack end would come out, you connect the ethernet to this and the other end to the device, and you may also have a data only port on the injector which you run back to your other devices switch/router etc.

I've not looked at the NR7101, but it certainly sounds good and as you say if it makes no improvement send it back. :)

No worries at all haha. Ah excellent, I've never touched PoE before - sounds like as you say, it's nothing scary. I bought a 5m Cat6a cable to use as the one in the box isn't long enough (1.8m by the looks of the spec sheet). I then already have a 10m Cat6a cable to hook from the injector to the Orbi WAN port. One other issue is it comes with an eu schuko plug (UK company but with EU stock) so when it arrives I'll see what UK adapter I can get to fit.

And if I don't post back in awhile it's because I'm crying under a heap of 5G Routers and antennas with no idea what is going on. :)
 
And if I don't post back in awhile it's because I'm crying under a heap of 5G Routers and antennas with no idea what is going on. :)
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No worries at all haha. Ah excellent, I've never touched PoE before - sounds like as you say, it's nothing scary. I bought a 5m Cat6a cable to use as the one in the box isn't long enough (1.8m by the looks of the spec sheet). I then already have a 10m Cat6a cable to hook from the injector to the Orbi WAN port. One other issue is it comes with an eu schuko plug (UK company but with EU stock) so when it arrives I'll see what UK adapter I can get to fit.

The eu schuko plug should be a separate part anyhow, so just get the equivalent IEC 7 (figure 8)/IEC C13 (kettle) or IEC C5 (clover) lead which I am sure you'll have in that pile of routers you are buried under. :p
 
Is Bridge Mode on the TCL LINKHUB 5G Home Station supported?
Been racking my brain all day trying to remember for you - I think it does. I had the TCL but can't 100% remember. Bridge Mode isn't be all and end all, you can do stuff manually to achieve the same goal. I've tried to find a datasheet online but struggling to find any mention.
 
Been racking my brain all day trying to remember for you - I think it does. I had the TCL but can't 100% remember. Bridge Mode isn't be all and end all, you can do stuff manually to achieve the same goal. I've tried to find a datasheet online but struggling to find any mention.

No Problem, Thank you for your Effort. Searched a couple of hours by myself but couldn't find the Function in Datasheets or Reviews. One Thread on a other Forum mentions that Bridge Mode is not supported. Maybe it came with a later Firmware Upgrade is that possible? The X55 Chip is strong enough or for bigger Firmware Upgrades and also the Device is advertised to Home and Business ("
TCL LINKHUB 5G CPE is designed to be a lightweight, portable router to access next-gen network speeds at home and at work.").
 
well after extensive testing I think I am settled on EE.

During peak evening times all three networks suffered on both download and up speeds and more jitter as more users used the masts. During the day and night its fine though, even EE settles down.

AT 2.30am this morning I had 170Mbps dl and 40Mbps upload with latency of 39ms and jitter 1ms. on EE

O2 was the next best but still maxes out at 70Mbps even in the middle of the night.

Can get a good signal with vodafone with the directional aerial but their downlad rates are awful. Maxes out at 40Mbps even in the early hours. The latency is by far the best on vodafone though at 30ms hardly any worse than my BT landline FTTC latency and always really low jitter.

But being able to leave games downloading at 170Mbps overnight has swayed my decision towards EE. When EE isnt being over used on the mast, I get 3 times the download speed and when it is being overused, its still slightly faster than O2 and although the jitter can go a bit awry (it does on all three networks to a degree) that doesn't matter so much for evening TV streaming or browsing.

My other half has worked from home during the day and has had several zoom meetings and has reported zero issues unlike what she used to get on the FTTC landline. Her stuff saves to the cloud instantly (we were getting between 0.25 and 0.5 MBps upload previously on the FTTC line so I am not surprised now its up to 100 times faster upload speed!)

EE has a offer on atm for unlimited data for £28.20 per month for 2 years on their business tariff. Thats a good deal for unlimited data on EE, its £37 for personal customers.

I just wished I had looked at 4g broadband a couple of years now.

My only issue now is which router to keep.

The B535 has superb wifi throughout the house from the loft and even two floors down in the lounge its still 5 bars.

The B818 has much weaker wifi (which surprised me, even stood 1m away from both routers my wifi analysis shows the signal from the b535 is 10db to 20db stronger.

But the B818 gives better download speeds from the mast than the B535 does.

Such a pain. I really want to keep the B818 but if I do I might have to use it as a bridge to another router for the wifi so more costs :(

On the other hand 3 bars in the lounge is good enough for 170Mbps connection speeds and since my internet in isnt higher than that then it shouldnt be a problem.
 
Glad to see you are getting along well with the testing. Looking at the roll out plans/data for BT/EE they seem be accelerating 5G as they look to shut of 3G in 2023 freeing up some extra bandwidth for 5G, so perhaps you'll get the the 5G sooner than you think. :)

EE has a offer on atm for unlimited data for £28.20 per month for 2 years on their business tariff. Thats a good deal for unlimited data on EE, its £37 for personal customers.

Don't forget you also can chose ASDA mobile with NO contract at all, which allows you to change networks, package etc. and you only need to keep it for a month to ensure you are getting the same speeds, they also seem to offer some good retention deals after a few months if you ask for a PAC code, as low as a rolling £21.50 Unlimited deal, with no end date. Ignore this, I forget they are now Voda. D'OH!

you'll also need to check EE's inflation policy, as you might get hit twice and as soon as April if you sign up now, so the £28.20 could end up being £33 by April 2023, where as you are in control on 30-day contracts, and data prices are going down not up!

My only issue now is which router to keep.
The B535 has superb wifi throughout the house from the loft and even two floors down in the lounge its still 5 bars.
The B818 has much weaker wifi (which surprised me, even stood 1m away from both routers my wifi analysis shows the signal from the b535 is 10db to 20db stronger.
But the B818 gives better download speeds from the mast than the B535 does.
Such a pain. I really want to keep the B818 but if I do I might have to use it as a bridge to another router for the wifi so more costs :(
On the other hand 3 bars in the lounge is good enough for 170Mbps connection speeds and since my internet in isnt higher than that then it shouldnt be a problem.

I feel your pain, the CPE Pro wireless isn't Wi-Fi 6 as I have the 112-370 not the 112-373, but I have it hooked into a proper router, and a switch cabinet etc. so I mainly use wired devices, that is slowly changing however, so i am looking to move to a Wi-Fi 6E network in the next year.
 
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