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Lots of people on the underground saying that the Daley stoppage was premature, seemed perfectly timed to me.

The ref doesn't care if there is only 5 seconds left in the round, he is there to protect the fighter and Daley got dropped then had a few more solid shots on the ground. He was done.
 
Clown said:
I still can't see what made him fall down like that... was is the right near the back of the head? Daley looked okay, pushing Diaz back and then he fell over like he was rocked.
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This gif isn't great due to the low framrate, but it shows the combo that dropped him.

On the 15 second mark there is an overhand right after 2 uppercuts, it's a blur in the gif but watching it on video you see this land right on Daley's chin. This is what results in the stanky leg dance.

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roid said:
Was sure Daley had won when he dropped Diaz.

Hate Diaz with a passion, hes a massive **** along with the rest of Ceaser bitch squad. Will be hilarious watching Shield's get destroyed by GSP.

They all seem to have a massive chip on their shoulders, they think they are gods gift to mma, but any time Nick faces top competition he gets handled, Nate is just.. well, nate and imo Melenendez hasn't faced anybody of real note apart from Thompson who he lost to.

Will be great when this "business as usual" stuff ends and we can see them try to keep their belts.
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As a person I think Diaz is a complete idiot, but as a fighter he is definitely one of the most exciting in the world at WW. He will continue to do well until they merge and then he has to face all the UFC wrestlers who will lay on him for the win.

He really needs to work on his wrestling.

Shields is an idiot, Nate is the biggest idiot. I do like Melendez though, want to see what he can do against higher tier opposition. The UFC 155 pool is deeeeeeeep.
 
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I was screaming for Daley to push when he hurt Diaz but he just backed off.

Maybe the stoppage was premature. I'm in two minds about it. Daley was clearly rocked hence face-planting the cage, but only two of the five strikes hit;

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With 3 seconds to go? Could have easily gone to the second round, even with Daley hurt.
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Big Johns not watching the clock, he is watching to make sure Daley didn't get seriously hurt.

If Daley thought it was premature I'm sure he would have been walking round the cage making his point,
 
Once he fights Diaz, there really isn't any match in the current UFC WW division that is interesting for him.

He has beaten everyone he has faced convincingly, it's unfortunate for GSP really, it's not his fault the UFC can't find anyone out there to compete with him.

Yet he will eventually be forced up in weight, when he is too small for MW to fight ANderson who is not only a huge MW but also probably p4p the best fighter on the planet.

Only thing going for him, is he has definitely got the perfect style to beat Silva, still not sure he could do it though.
 
At one point he even stood against the ropes with his hands down letting pudzy tee off on him, and it did nothing lol.

Shows that being the strongest man in the world, really means nothing in the world of MMA.

Nicely done Thomspon :)
 
Psycho Sonny said:
when this fight happened was shamrock not like 50 years old or something (exaggeration i know but i mean past it), he has taken a lot of punishment over the years and dealt it out too. he seemed to just gas out and his stand up has never been the best, he is more of a submission style i think. dont know what round franklin won in, but i think shamrock just failed to show up.

i think cardio is the most underlooked thing in MMA, sure the rounds are long but when you look at george st pierre and frankie edgar especially, you can tell the reason why they are at the top is due to cardio as well as their skills. same with boxers like mayweather.

i think shamrock doesnt believe in training hard or cardio that much, if i remember correctly from that season he done on TUF, he called a lot of training sessions off and let his guys just do whatever they wanted some times. there have been some real bad coaches on TUF and he was certainly one of them, the dude JDS fired also had an attitude problem, and the fat guy lesnar has is a joke too.

what was that "launching pad" all about? it was just as bad as the time matt hughes trolled matt serra saying as soon as the fight starts you should drop to your knees, at least that way he cant knee you or kick you in the face.

i honestly dont know what i would have said if i was matt serra in that situation, i think i would have just told him to **** off and quit wasting our time, then had a word with the coach or dana white, matt hughes brought nothing for them to learn in that season, he was just their spying on them and messing around wasting their time.
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DUde the "fat guy" you are referring to on Brocks Coaching team is Erik Paulson, he is far from a joke he is a pioneer of the sport and a legend :/

He has coached Ken Shamrock, Josh Barnett, Megumi Fuji and Renato Sobral to name a few.

He is a catch wrestling badass and trained in jeet kune do and various other martial arts, a real MMArtist. So what he is fat now, he is retired.

Oh and it was Franklin telling Serra to drop to his knees when the fight started, not Hughes.

 
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Psycho Sonny said:
i just watched that video, fatty is 3 times the size now of what he used to be and correct me if im wrong, is he not brock's stand up coach? in that video there was 0 KO's or standup wins, all submissions.

the guy has zero stand up apart from some leg kicks. correct me if im wrong, in his current condition there is no way he can kick like he used to, therefore he cannot even demonstrate the best part of his stand up, also look at the movement when he is submitting guys, if he tried to do that now, he would just fall over and suffocate the guy or injure himself.

the guy is a joke, just answer this question. what are your thoughts on "the launching pad"?

also when he has those pads on his hands, his movement within the ring is hardly amazing, he is just like a slow moving punch bag. i cannot believe they have picked a submission specialist for teaching stand up, you should never have shown me that video, im going to be laughing next time i see him.

one of the worst pieces of advices i have seen given out. and it may have been franklin, i cant remember it was so long ago, i dont like re-watching something i have already seen unless i really liked it.

the guy may have been good at submitting people in the past, but i really dont think he has been any good on the show, i'll need to watch the episode that came out this week and last week, see if he had any benefit to the team.

its the same as that drunk french guy who st pierre brought on who had stayed in thailand, drinking and fighting. all he did was kick the **** out of them all. it didnt look like he actually taught them anything. dont care how good he is at fighting or what he has done in the past, they are there to coach the fighters.

one of the best boxing coaches i had when i was younger, had never stepped foot in the ring, but he taught me more than other's who had. some guys are good at teaching others are not.
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He has got 1 KO win, this doesn't mean he hasn't got good standup, maybe not KO power but he has solid standup. He was a submission specialist when he competed what nearly 2 decades ago! You think he hasn't kept improving his skills since 1993....

What you need to realise is he started competing in MMA before it was even called MMA, no gloves very few rules and he is part of the wave of people who began cross training.

He is trained in:

Black Belt Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu,
Black Belt Judo,
Black Belt Tae Kwon Do,
Full Instructor Jeet Kune Do
Full Instructor Filipino Martial Arts
Full Instructor Muay Thai under Ajan Chai.

I'd say someone belted in TKD, JKD and full instructor in Muay Thai has some standup knowledge...

When he is holding pads he doesn't need to dance round the ring :/ it's improving hand speed and technique not sparring.

If he is no good at grappling why is Brock who can train with anyone he wants training with him, why did Josh Barnett learn to grapple from him. He has trained Megumi Fuji to be the #2 in her weightclass in the world with 23 wins out of 24 fights.

He is an amazing coach, he doesn't need to be fit like he used to to train someone else to fight.

I agree some are good at teaching and others aren't, but having stepped into the ring brings a different element to things which you don't experience until you have done so. Don't necessarily need to have been a champion, but to have at least been there.

BTW I have no idea what you are talking about with this launchpad, I have not been watching this series of TUF.
 
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Psycho Sonny said:
he gives advice on this technique called "the launching pad", its hilarious, i was watching it and thinking, there is no way an MMA coach is seriously telling a fighter to try and do that in a fight.

its a jab to the face, but you keep your jab in the persons face holding their chin up, as soon as it connects though, you throw your hook and you move your jab just before your hook connects (holding opponents chin up) to connect with the guys chin.

personally i was told by a professional boxing coach to keep my guard up at all times. as if my hands were glued to my face. this guy is saying throw your punch and keep it out there whilst you throw the other one.

what are your thoughts?


personally i would have brought him in as a submission coach, not stand up coach.
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I know the punch you are talking about and I've actually used something similar, if you throw it fast and they are covering up and backing up there is less chance of a counter. Good head movement is more important than keeping your hands up.

I guess you are imagining this happening in slow motion, which it wouldn't be.

Boxing is not MMA, hence Chuck in his prime walked around with his hands damn near his waist most of the time. You can get away with things due to threat of kicks/takedowns.
 
I'm sure he isn't teaching every 1 2 combo use this, it's just another tool in the box.

Your jab should snap back asap regardless of throwing the right hand, when throwing a standard jab anyway.

I wouldn't say it's overthinking, it's another tool and if used well would guarantee a nice sold punch on an exposed chin.

He wasn't just impressive for his time, he is still impressive now and his reputation amongst the knowledgable MMA community is that of a world class MMArtist.

Just because you only see him teaching standup, doesn't mean he isn't teaching the grappling also. You don't see 95% of what happens.
 
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