I'm with you on the obsession with the latest SoC, the 855+ is literally the exact same chip with a slightly higher clock rate on one of the CPU clusters and a slightly higher clock rate on the GPU. Other than that it's the same Kyro 485 cores, same ISP, same modem etc. There's literally nothing out there that will run on the 855+ but not the 855.
**** The Official Google Pixel 4 Thread ****
- Thread starter Cromulent
- Start date
I'm with you on the obsession with the latest SoC, the 855+ is literally the exact same chip with a slightly higher clock rate on one of the CPU clusters and a slightly higher clock rate on the GPU. Other than that it's the same Kyro 485 cores, same ISP, same modem etc. There's literally nothing out there that will run on the 855+ but not the 855.
Soldato
- Joined
- 12 Feb 2006
- Posts
- 17,413
- Location
- Surrey
It's just another small thing to add to the list where it's not the best at. You're right it's still a great chip that they picked, but there is better out there. 6gb may be OK now, but in 2 years time?
You can say well it doesn't have this latest or highest spec thing, but it makes up for it with the other highest spec thing.
What is the selling point of the p4 that makes up for the other small tiny downsides?
You can say well it doesn't have this latest or highest spec thing, but it makes up for it with the other highest spec thing.
What is the selling point of the p4 that makes up for the other small tiny downsides?
Most phone contacts are two years and most people still have phones that are through contact. Define "the best at", why does it have to have an 855+? What does it do on top of the 855? Why does it need an 855+? It's not like it's rocking a mid range 6xx or 7xx series Snapdragon chip.
The reason I get the Pixel because I don't have to compromise to get the things I value in a phone. I'm not interested in waterfall displays, reverse wireless charging or video recording therefore those things aren't worth waiting 12 months for major OS updates. Whilst the Huawei P30 Pro has fantastic camera hardware, the post processing last time I checked was woeful and the Note 10 in all of the Pixel 4, iPhone 11 Pro vs Note 10 head to heads I've seen comes last in most areas. The Pixel still has the most consistent camera performance for me on Android.
To be fair, reviewers bring these specs up against the price mostly. With a Pixel, you're essentially paying more for less but it doesn't necessarily register with consumers because they usually buy phones subsidised. Reviewers go on the base of RRP so they kinda have to mention it, even though you'd struggle to find a better camera.
Soldato
- Joined
- 6 Jan 2013
- Posts
- 22,179
- Location
- Rollergirl
In order to review a phone, it has to be compared to the competition. If the reviewer didn't compare and discuss the differences, then what would they talk about?
If someone who did little to no research decided to buy a phone at the Pixel 2 XL price point, then that person would also be looking at top iPhones and Samsungs. The immediate comparison would be the visuals and the Pixel would surely be dismissed? On the other hand, If the purchaser did their research, then surely the hardware/software weaknesses would rule the Pixel out?
The people most likely to buy this Pixel series are those that have owned the Pixel previously and those that value the best camera. The latter is subjective and can only be declared after comparison with the next best at similar price point, with the Pixel sometimes being marginally better.
It's a bit strange to accept the little differences that make the camera a winner, yet reject the little differences that make the hardware inferior to the competition. After all, there isn't a photograph out there that a Samsung phone couldn't take
If someone who did little to no research decided to buy a phone at the Pixel 2 XL price point, then that person would also be looking at top iPhones and Samsungs. The immediate comparison would be the visuals and the Pixel would surely be dismissed? On the other hand, If the purchaser did their research, then surely the hardware/software weaknesses would rule the Pixel out?
The people most likely to buy this Pixel series are those that have owned the Pixel previously and those that value the best camera. The latter is subjective and can only be declared after comparison with the next best at similar price point, with the Pixel sometimes being marginally better.
It's a bit strange to accept the little differences that make the camera a winner, yet reject the little differences that make the hardware inferior to the competition. After all, there isn't a photograph out there that a Samsung phone couldn't take
The overall user experience I guess? Stock Android these days is slick, fluid and actually well featured. It's getting a lot closer to what I believe iOS is like in that things just work.
As has been said many times, the average user wont know what a SD 855 is or they wont care it's not a 'Plus' or that other devices have 8GB of RAM. They would care if apps hang, or aren't compatible, or run slowly and none of this is an issue, it's such a nice device to use. They might care there's not a UWA lens, but they will also love the amazing photo's they consistently get in different conditions or how good the screen looks or how great the speakers sound as these are things you can actually notice in day to day use.
In order to review a phone, it has to be compared to the competition. If the reviewer didn't compare and discuss the differences, then what would they talk about?
If someone who did little to no research decided to buy a phone at the Pixel 2 XL price point, then that person would also be looking at top iPhones and Samsungs. The immediate comparison would be the visuals and the Pixel would surely be dismissed? On the other hand, If the purchaser did their research, then surely the hardware/software weaknesses would rule the Pixel out?
The people most likely to buy this Pixel series are those that have owned the Pixel previously and those that value the best camera. The latter is subjective and can only be declared after comparison with the next best at similar price point, with the Pixel sometimes being marginally better.
It's a bit strange to accept the little differences that make the camera a winner, yet reject the little differences that make the hardware inferior to the competition. After all, there isn't a photograph out there that a Samsung phone couldn't take
Yet nobody has still explained what I can't do on the Pixel because of it's inferior SoC or amount of RAM? I've explained how Samsung and Huawei can't replicate the consistent results the Pixel gets with their cameras or how their software updates are just too slow. I find it funny that a company like Essential can push Android updates as quickly as Google do for the Pixel, they may only have one device to update but they're also tiny and strapped for cash unlike Samsung & Huawei.
Hardware is no longer a differentiator, everyone can get the same parts, it's what you do with those parts that makes a difference in my opinion. The camera is a fantastic example of that, computational photography ability is the most important thing to mobile photography now.
Obviously you've decided to get a OnePlus because you believe that device better fits your needs, I just don't understand why you feel the need to continually rubbish something you've already decided not to buy.
To be fair he bowed out of the thread a while back. You brought him back
Soldato
- Joined
- 6 Jan 2013
- Posts
- 22,179
- Location
- Rollergirl
I'm not rubbishing the Pixel, I'm having a conversation about consumer choice. I'm a consumer, and I've recently made a choice. I'm sharing that experience, and for all I know this conversation could convince me to return the OnePlus and opt for the Pixel. Isn't that why we have these conversations?
I'm not looking to win or lose here, I'm just interested in communicating on the subject. I've owned every Pixel since release and I've held my off my yearly upgrade until this release. I'm disappointed in the latest models, and just because I'm honest about that, I don't see why I should be labelled a troll because you're reading things you don't agree with.
Associate
- Joined
- 17 Jan 2015
- Posts
- 1,547
Personally I just want a phone that works and has a good camera and doesn't make me hate it when I use it. My experience sadly is that pixel for me only delivers 2/3 of those things as I just seem to get dodgy handsets all of the time. If they could deliver bug free phones then I don't really care at all about outright specs.
Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to stifle conversation or opinion and the only reason I suggested you could be trolling was because of your playful comment about the top bezel, I felt you were trying to elicit a response as clearly Soli isn't the reason for the top bezel.
Nobody has yet to put these sensors (for face unlock) behind the screen like others have the finger print sensor or the front camera sensor like Xiaomi have or about to do I believe. Therefore I'm assuming that's not possible, or not possible yet and so the only solutions now are notches, larger bezels or moving parts.
I thought we had to wait 14 days from purchase to apply for the chromebook?
I pre-ordered so my 14 days were on Tuesday this week. I applied Monday night even though it was a day short and they still approved it.
So it's 14 days from pre order, not delivery?
Yes.
I got this too. I'd attached a screenshot of the order email. I attached another, scrolled down a little and zoomed in a little, but it still said it wasn't good. I told it to go ahead anyway. We'll see. Hopefully when a real person looks at it, it should be fine.
We can apparently track claims here - https://pixel-offers.co.uk/gb/en/pages/chromebook/contact#track-claim-id
But I have no idea what my claim ID was? I've not had an email or anything about it yet either. I filled it in like 4 hours ago too.
**EDIT** I do have an email... Gmail classed Google's email as spam...
*Exclusively for pre-orders or purchases made from an eligible retailer between 15th October and 28th October 2019. Customers must Claim the Chromebook after 14 days but before 45 days from receiving your qualifying device
Pretty sure it's 14 days from when it arrives
Pretty sure it's 14 days from when it arrives