***The Official HTC One Thread***

grudas said:
its like deep down you really dont want HTC to fail on this one? :) and i kinda get it but i don't expect the camera to be any better in "Day-to-day" photo tasks.. it will be better at low light but the lower res + same quality = lesser camera capabilities than what s4 will have(im sure samsung will do good in camera department)
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No I couldn't really care less if they went bankrupt.

It is simply that people are taking everything as gospel or maybe they are the ones that want HTC to fail and for Samsung to reign on as the "leaders" :rolleyes:

I am simply saying don't base too much on these reviews due to the "facts" that I have listed, there is no denying that software optimisation makes a huge difference as I continuously prove with all these links etc. with regards to not just the 920 but the nexus 4, htc one X, galaxy S3 etc.

Go and look at the beginning of the one S thread where stoosh posted load of photos comparing the one S and GS 3, the first shots, the gs 3 looked awful and was easily beat by the S, however, after the software update, the GS 3 looked better by a good bit, iirc this was for indoor shots with "ok" lighting.

What more do I need to post to simply prove that software optimisation can make a difference in every single area?
 
@Robbo Like you I so want Samsung to be taken down a peg or two only because I want them to get out of the let's play it safe mode and start innovating again.

re Anandtec - We might have a long wait but it's going to be worth it because they certainly don't pull any punches.

I really don't get why review sites bother with pre release units, they only had the device for two days, how on earth can you judge a battery in that time?

Roll on the Anandtec review!

I'm still going to buy one!

@Nexus I remember that when I first got the S3 the camera was slightly off and the HOS camera beat it by miles, then the update hit and all of a sudden the S3 camera suddenly came to life and bettered the HOS camera. The HOS camera certainly isn't a slouch as evidenced by the pictures that you have posted in the HOS thread.

I'd like HTC to succeed with this phone but if they don't then I'm not a fanboy and am quite the phone wh*re so i'll go to whatever device best suits my daily needs. I really haven't the need for a camera on my phone, as long as the battery lasts a day it's cool with me.
 
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Robbo said:
If you're taking all reviews with a big pinch of salt, what will you base your decision on? User posted pictures? :p

If the reviews all arrive at the conclusion the camera and battery aren't very good, it will be pretty much set in stone, even if it's improved at a later date.

This could really work against the phone. To start with the 4 megapixel camera isn't going to impress your average person; it doesn't sound good at all. People have already commented to me that it, and I quote "sounds a bit crap". :p

Secondly, a mass of reviews panning the camera and battery will just be really awful, as those are a couple of important aspects.

Comparisons are going to be inevitably drawn up between the One and GS4, and you know the GS4 is going to win all of them aside from the design/build, even now. This is before we even start on marketing... :(

As for me, I can live with a slightly sub-par camera, it would do for me, but I'm thinking about HTC getting things right and so far it doesn't seem like they are. I want Samsung taken down a peg or two, just for their stupid hype advert with the kid. :o :mad:
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I am taking "expert" reviews with a big pinch of salt with regards to battery life and camera because once again look at the lumia 920 with regards to camera and now look at the nexus 4 with regards to battery life and then iirc the one S didn't do too well for battery life in reviews yet look through the one S thread here and on XDA, the battery life that people got with it was outstanding, easily the best till the GS 3 came and far better than the one X (which was regarded as being "good")

User opinions/reviews are generally better I find anyway depending on the person.

Yes, if the reviews arrive at a similar conclusion then it will be set in stone as the general word of mouth for a "pre production unit/beta software", not the final unit. Again look at the lumia 920, reviews weren't exactly glowing regarding camera etc. now look at it, no camera matches it.

Of course 4MP sounds crap but that doesn't mean that the camera overall is crap. Unless you plan on printing these photos out on a large bit of paper or have a monitor with an extremely high res. or/and crop/zoom in on photos an awful lot then 4MP is perfectly fine. If this camera wasn't going to be any better or at least in the same league as the current one series phones then why would HTC bother doing what they have done?

Yes, I also think the GS 4 will be better overall, as in a more complete package, however, until we see the final software/unit of the one and actually see what is what with the GS 4, will not know for sure, Samsung could play it safe and just do a minor boost in specs and rely on their marketing/advertising.

As it stands currently and going by what we know of Samsung/GS 4, this is how I think things are going to go:

ONE:

- software, much better UI/colour scheme, phone has a unified feel throughout, the best browser, camera and gallery apps (only advantage of touchwiz are those smart features but most of them have been ported as apps, so not exactly unique)
- audio, front speakers are already being highly praised by pretty much everywhere
- design/build

GS 4:

- removable battery
- SD slot
- battery life
- better NLED

Screen and size is personal preference.


My point is, just don't base much on reviews that are basing these opinions of theirs on a pre-production unit/beta software especially for battery life and the camera.
 
Nexus18 said:
I am taking "expert" reviews with a big pinch of salt with regards to battery life and camera because once again look at the lumia 920 with regards to camera and now look at the nexus 4 with regards to battery life and then iirc the one S didn't do too well for battery life in reviews yet look through the one S thread here and on XDA, the battery life that people got with it was outstanding, easily the best till the GS 3 came and far better than the one X (which was regarded as being "good")

User opinions/reviews are generally better I find anyway depending on the person.
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I understand all this, but my point is at what point do you make a decision? You can't buy a phone under the assumption the camera will suddenly get an update that will make it a lot better, when it might not... it might just not be all that good.

Nexus18 said:
Yes, if the reviews arrive at a similar conclusion then it will be set in stone as the general word of mouth for a "pre production unit/beta software", not the final unit. Again look at the lumia 920, reviews weren't exactly glowing regarding camera etc. now look at it, no camera matches it.
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General word of mouth does not carry terms such as 'pre-production unit', unfortunately. If the review points are negative they'll likely stay that way as well.

Nexus18 said:
Of course 4MP sounds crap but that doesn't mean that the camera overall is crap.
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I know that... most people don't. :p

Nexus18 said:
Unless you plan on printing these photos out on a large bit of paper or have a monitor with an extremely high res. or/and crop/zoom in on photos an awful lot then 4MP is perfectly fine. If this camera wasn't going to be any better or at least in the same league as the current one series phones then why would HTC bother doing what they have done?
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It's HTC, maybe they've misjudged it... that's certainly how it appears at the moment unless as you hope - it gets a big improvement via an update.

Nexus18 said:
My point is, just don't base much on reviews that are basing these opinions of theirs on a pre-production unit/beta software especially for battery life and the camera.
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Won't all the reviews (of note) have a pre-production unit though? Ok Anandtech's one might arrive in a month or two and sing the praises of the phone but by then everyone has bought a GS4. :( :p
 
@Robbo

- Well generally I would wait for a few weeks anyway to see about QC issues etc. and especially if there is word on a software update arriving that will fix/improve things. If there is no news on any software update or HTC says that there isn't an update coming out then you just get whatever else there is

- Just have to wait and see, I just find it hard to believe that they would make a bold move like that and put so much effort into the camera marketing at their show, in ads etc. only for it to be worse/the same as the current one series phones especially when photographers are expecting good things from it and the hardware is there to produce good results

- most likely have, although I am not exactly sure if it is the phone itself or/and the software hence why I am putting "pre-production/beta software" :p A lot of confusion on XDA regarding if it is a pre-production unit, the software is definitely old though going by what HTC etc. have said


Personally I am in no rush and will be waiting till May anyway to see what the X and KLP will be like.


At the end of the day, the camera and battery life could suck regardless of a software update, but my point is just don't right it off completely yet until we know for certain what is what! :p
 
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Nexus18 said:
- software, much better UI/colour scheme,
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GS4 vs HTC "One" for stock UI/software? That's like a choice between Gonorrhea or Chlamydia :p

(...and the main reason I'm not buying this incredible phone)

Nexus18 said:
Unfortunately all of their battery tests suck
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The best one was time lapse video comparison of the HOS vs HOX with battery % check after each section. I wish more reviews would do that, forget about a random number and just focus on direct comparisons.
I.e. After 12 hours of doing the same typical stuff X was on 40%, Y was on 60% (same network and screen brightness)
 
sarge78 said:
GS4 vs HTC "One" for stock UI/software? That's like a choice between Gonorrhea or Chlamydia :p
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:D

You just love your OEM skins! :p

The only thing I really "hate" about sense V4+ is the awful battery meter :(

sarge78 said:
The best one was time lapse video comparison of the HOS vs HOX with battery % check after each section. I wish more reviews would do that, forget about a random number and just focus on direct comparisons.
I.e. After 12 hours of doing the same typical stuff X was on 40%, Y was on 60% (same network and screen brightness)
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+1 to that!
 
I kind of just want to shake HTC. They are always so close to knocking one outta the park but always fall short on stupid things.

If only the HTC designers worked for Samsung or something.

Still not sure on the 4MP camera. I know mega-pixels don't mean as much as advertisers would have you believe but 4MP still sounds limited to me, I'm sure there must be ways to let more light in while still managing to have a higher pixel count. Nokia manage it. I really don't think software is going to fix the camera.

I'm going to assume reports of the battery being disappointing will just be software related though. It seems more common then it should be that phones are released with software wakelock bugs.

On release of my Nexus4, I was getting about 10hours battery, now I'm getting 3 days use out of a charge so it must be software related.
 
m4rk84 said:
I really don't think software is going to fix the camera.
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Why not?

It has for many phones, everyone opinions so far on the HTC one are sounding just like what people thought of the lumia 920 when first released/reviewed:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=23077983&highlight=poor+camera#post23077983

Now, you wouldn't see anyone saying that the camera sucked.

Software optimisation is probably the most important thing there is for every single area of the phone. From the software updates on my s, this is what I and others have noticed:

- much better signal for voice and mobile data with 4.0.4
- stronger WiFI signal and faster wiFI speeds with 4.0.4
- picture clarity/sharpness and more natural colours for photos with sense V4+/JB
- snappier and smoother with sense V4+/JB

And then the bad things:

- battery life isn't as good as what it was on ICS
- some people notice a hissing/white noise when playing back music on a mobile data connection with JB/sense V4+
 
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Nexus18 said:
Why not?
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Because unlike the 920 the One has a hardware limitation. If you read The Verge review it's clear that the camera is already performing well with colours, the problem is lack of pixels when zoomed in. The images lack sharpness and information.

By the look of the photos it is already performing well for a 4MP camera. I just can't see them getting any better.
 
Of course, we all knew that would be a disadvantage (the crop/zoom) as soon as they said 4MP, after all less pixels. However, apart from when you zoom in/crop, where are we going to see the limitation of less pixels?

Most monitors are 1920x1080, phone screen res. is 1080P, TV = 1080P, so unless you are viewing photos on a even higher res. PC monitor or printing photos out for a large canvas or whatever (in which case you should be using a proper camera for that) then 4MP should be more than fine, well for the majority of users anyway.

Are you really going to zoom in that close on a bike or a lit up railing etc.?

Also, the lumia 920 was suffering sharpness/detail issues too, after the update it was better.
 
m4rk84 said:
Because unlike the 920 the One has a hardware limitation. If you read The Verge review it's clear that the camera is already performing well with colours, the problem is lack of pixels when zoomed in. The images lack sharpness and information.

By the look of the photos it is already performing well for a 4MP camera. I just can't see them getting any better.
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ill blablabla you out a new post in a shorter version than what nexus will say in a few mins..

*but who views pictures at that res*

*unless you print them and who does that*

*who has a monitor with a resoliution as high as that?*

*low light performance*

*perfectly fine for my liking IMO*

*who needs 13mpx*

in reality.. i crop 90% of my pics and sometimes the object is too far away so having more pixels is great i can have higher quality as the end result :)

low light performance... tbh my s2 does an ok job and anything better than that will make me and im sure 90% of buyers happy.


edit - darn you nexus.
 
Nexus18 said:
Of course, we all knew that would be a disadvantage (the crop/zoom) as soon as they said 4MP, after all less pixels. However, apart from when you zoom in/crop, where are we going to see the limitation of less pixels?

Most monitors are 1920x1080, phone screen res. is 1080P, TV = 1080P, so unless you are viewing photos on a even higher res. PC monitor or printing photos out for a large canvas or whatever (in which case you should be using a proper camera for that) then 4MP should be more than fine, well for the majority of users anyway.

Are you really going to zoom in that close on a bike or a lit up railing etc.?

Also, the lumia 920 was suffering sharpness/detail issues too, after the update it was better.
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The 920 issue was very very clearly software, the images were looking soft when fully zoomed out it was obvious something was't right.

What you can see with the One is completely different, the images look fine, in fact they look pretty good fully zoomed out. But when you look closely what you can see is the pixel limitation, this is what The Verge review is pointing out.

For the vast majority the camera will be absolutely fine, for facebook etc. however I just think what we are seeing in the zoomed in Verge images is the pixel limitation. This is why I can't see it getting any better (which is fine for most people).

I'm the first to admit MP is an overhyped stat, but it's not meaningless especially when the One's pixel count is less then half of the previous generation of phones.
 
As much as you try to hide it and appear neutral I find it really really hard not to notice your HTC bias Nexus.

You were the first to point out and list the Nexus 4's less then perfect camera in every mention of the phone before it's release (before any software updates) yet you seem adamant to defend the One's weak spots. :p

So for the record I agree for the normal user the camera is good enough (so is the Nexus 4's and pretty much any camera on any high end phone on the market) but in the context of a thorough review it is a weak point and worthy of a mention.
 
I did say ages ago why did they pick 4mp, my 5 mp nikon point n press was sound compared to earlier cams I had as if a threshold had been crossed???? I duno tho just a thought. First 2 months reviews and word of mouth are crucial as more and more folk buy the Sammy and "identify" with the phone and company the volume of their positive talk will drown out any idiosyncratic positive news from HTC or Sony in a huge money making feedback loop.
 
Fact of the matter is, the Lumia 920 can do the low light fancy stuff at 8MP. Why can't the HTC that's released a year or so later? It's not good enough.
 
m4rk84 said:
As much as you try to hide it and appear neutral I find it really really hard not to notice your HTC bias Nexus.

You were the first to point out and list the Nexus 4's less then perfect camera in every mention of the phone before it's release (before any software updates) yet you seem adamant to defend the One's weak spots. :p

So for the record I agree for the normal user the camera is good enough (so is the Nexus 4's and pretty much any camera on any high end phone on the market) but in the context of a thorough review it is a weak point and worthy of a mention.
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Are people not allowed a bias?
 
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