people working for low wages keeps the country afloat not go getters
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people working for low wages keeps the country afloat not go getters
Soldato
I'd be pretty disheartened if Telecaster wasn't being sarcastic there (pretty sure he was)
To the four of five people who said, "Duh, stundent loans!": (edit: about 20 now!!!)
The guy I quoted/responded to was talking about how he came from a council estate and paid his own way through uni. The suggestion being that you don't need state help even if you and your family are poor.
I would say you do need state help, or you aren't going to uni these days.
The guy I quoted/responded to was talking about how he came from a council estate and paid his own way through uni. The suggestion being that you don't need state help even if you and your family are poor.
I would say you do need state help, or you aren't going to uni these days.
Don
yea straight over my head today
I'd love to see the average age of the vote bet it's 60+
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Don
Anyone know why it takes so long for St Ives to return their count?
Soldato
Scilly Isles, votes cross by boat (in good weather).
That's the one where private corps can take govts to special closed courts if their govt policies hurt their profits.
It's already happening in Oz - tobacco companies suing the govt over anti-smoking legislations.
That's in your TTIP. Amongst other genuinely bonkers things. Corporations have almost ultimate power in the US, and are now able to use that to make inroads into US trade partners. Think about it, and you're bound to conclude it's frightening.
Soldato
What a load of rubbish, absolute nonsense. This is the type of trash which gives people an unrealistic view of any party whether its tory, labour, lib dems etc
You sound like the one with tunnel vision
If you say so, but since when has the Tories ever supported the underprivileged? they want to completely dismantle the welfare system, universal credit is going to hit a lot of poor working people hard, and they are going to push for no benefits for under twenty fives, do they honestly expect everyone just to stay at home? If you believe the Tory party aren't out for anyone but upper middle class and above then your deluded.
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Soldato
'cause it's so far away init
Soldato
15.7m didn't vote.
Most of those on average are younger or poorer
UK data
US Data
http://www.ippr.org/assets/media/im...ided-democracy_Nov2013_11420.pdf?noredirect=1
It shows quite clearly in the above study that political disengagement of the poor results in governments who cause further cuts targeted at the politically inactive. This of course makes logical sense but further exasperates the problem.
If the opposition really want to win against the incumbent entities engaging the politically absent would achieve it easily.
Caporegime
another 5 years of **** Cameron,you need your heads looking at
Whilst I can't really criticise the general point you're trying to make - it isn't as simple as 'if I can do it anyone can'.
Should we all be billionaires? Because if someone can do it we all could? And the only reason we're not, is because we're just too lazy to try?
Opportunity arises in many guises, some people will make the right decisions and reap the rewards, others may spend years working equally as hard, but for whatever reason their life decisions turn out to be less well rewarded.
Likewise, you may have put in a lot of hard work to get where you are now and fair play to you. But you did this in a country where we're all (mostly all) given the opportunity to get a decent education. But when you start to offer more opportunities to those who 'have' and those who 'haven't', then it becomes more and more difficult for people to 'just work hard' and make something more of their life.
I don't at all buy into this 'I voted Conservative, because I believe in rewarding hard work'. At lot of people in here seem to be of the opinion that by voting conservative, they are a better class of person, because a vote for the conservatives is a vote against the lazy scrounging chav scum.
And for reference, I'd actually say that I've done pretty well over the last few years too, mostly through hard work. So you can put me in the 'I'm alright jack' camp too, but that doesn't mean I can't see the bigger picture - where the gap in opportunities for those who have and those who haven't, will undoubtedly get bigger and harder and harder to bridge. But maybe I should just think of myself and count myself to be lucky to be on the right side of that gap just now?!
Caporegime
I don't suggest the withdrawal of financial support, I just don't think that giving more money to those not working going to improve anything. We need to make it more beneficial to work. Labour seem to suggest that giving more money to those on benefits will help, I don't believe that for a second. They claim that people are on so little money that it effects the upbringing of their children.
We need to incentivise work and make it far more preferable than being on benefits. Overall I think its a hard problem to solve. We are moving towards a future where more and more manual jobs and being automated. Companies make cutbacks to staff when instead of making 6 billion profit they only make 3.
Bottom line is that giving those that don't work another £500 a month wouldn't suddenly lead to any change in their attitudes or behaviour.
As a Scotsman clicking on this thread when people are discussing tuition fees and bank regulation..
just don't mention how much better the Scottish NHS is either
or the free prescriptions
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TTIP is outside of Westminster's control. It's the EU negotiating after all.
Man of Honour
Good speech.
