Poll: The official I voted/election results thread

[joeyjojo]

No it doesn't. That's the responsibility of the individual, not the State.

Out of interest, where do you draw the line on this?

For the sake of argument, put yourself in the shoes of one of the 250,000 Indian migrant labourers in Dubai. Workers rights in Dubai are very weak. For example, the law says construction must stop when the outside temperature exceeds 50C, which it did for about a dozen days a year until this law was introduced, and according to officials it hasn't since then. Your passport has been held as a deposit so you can't leave. You commute every day on a crowded worker bus and work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. You earn the minimum wage, about £120 a month.

Is it really the responsibility of these individual workers that they're forced into such crushingly unfair work? Do you suggest it's their fault for not taking the right training? Maybe you blame their upbringing?

Or will you finally accept that some amount of luck plays into people's lives? Like the conditions or state they're born into? Should Dubai be doing more for these people or is it purely up to them to "lift themselves up"? How weighted must the dice be before you'll admit not everyone is equally privileged?

 

[Muffin`]

Sorry but it is.

That's a sweeping statement - when did the United Kingdom fall off the living standard tables?

 

[Muffin`]

Out of interest, where do you draw the line on this?

For the sake of argument, put yourself in the shoes of one of the 250,000 Indian migrant labourers in Dubai. Workers rights in Dubai are very weak. For example, the law says construction must stop when the outside temperature exceeds 50C, which it did for about a dozen days a year until this law was introduced, and according to officials it hasn't since then. Your passport has been held as a deposit so you can't leave. You commute every day on a crowded worker bus and work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. You earn the minimum wage, about £120 a month.

Is it really the responsibility of these individual workers that they're forced into such crushingly unfair work? Do you suggest it's their fault for not taking the right training? Maybe you blame their upbringing?

Or will you finally accept that some amount of luck plays into people's lives? Like the conditions or state they're born into? Should Dubai be doing more for these people or is it purely up to them to "lift themselves up"? How weighted must the dice be before you'll admit not everyone is equally privileged?

Why do you have to resort to workers in Dubai to rebuff his point? It's about as relevant as a potato.

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

Sorry but it is.

What needs exactly aren't being met?

 

[D.P.]

People starving would suggest basic needs not being met.

And the UK government is current;y failing to ensure the basic needs are being met and preventing people starving, hence the rise in food bank usage.

 

[joeyjojo]

Why do you have to resort to workers in Dubai to rebuff his point? It's about as relevant as a potato.

I'm trying to work out how strong George Hincapie's convictions are.

 

[D.P.]

Is that the reason for the rise? You failed to provide evidence before...

You failed to provide evidence against it the reason provided last time by the the trussel trust. The onus is on you to disprove the provided evidence.

 

[scorza]

People starving would suggest basic needs not being met.

Given that there was food available - it was just too expensive for the poorest people to buy, which is the inevitable conclusion of income inequality.

 

[Muffin`]

Given that there was food available - it was just too expensive for the poorest people to buy, which is the inevitable conclusion of income inequality.

Are we on the verge of a revolution scorza? Are you struggling to pay for your prescription again?

 

[[TW]Fox]

And the UK government is current;y failing to ensure the basic needs are being met and preventing people starving, hence the rise in food bank usage.

Yes, because that's obviously the only reason for the rise in food bank usage.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Yes, because that's obviously the only reason for the rise in food bank usage.

It actually is, go work a zero hour contract homie. Apparently they're hailed as something great by this government. LAWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

 

[scorza]

Are we on the verge of a revolution scorza? Are you struggling to pay for your prescription again?

Are people starving in the streets?

 

[Jono8]

I think Mandelson has put it quite succinctly (with regard to the rubbish Labour campaign): "We were sent out and told to say we're for the poor and hate the rich, ignoring the vast swathe of the population who exist in between."

Quite a good read:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ur-has-an-unhealthy-dependence-on-unions.html

 

[Skidder]

Are people starving in the streets?

No

 

[scorza]

No

My point exactly.

 

[Destination]

Micheal Gove to take charge of prisons, sentencing and the criminal justice system...

I feel this hasn't been posted recently enough!

 

[George Hincapie]

The most competent person for the job would have been Dominic Grieve. Former QC, very capable and understands the ECHR and human rights law in general.

Unfortunately for the Conservatives, Dominic Grieve is in favour of the ECHR - just like almost everyone else with first-hand experience of it.

My local MP. Huzzah!

Former Attorney General as well incidentally.

 

[joeyjojo]

Haha Hikari Kisugi that's amazing.

 

[RDM]

Sorry but it is.

Well if you could let me know which wars and/or revolutions were started because of income inequality rather than politics, land or basic needs not being met then I will stand corrected. Sadly your post doesn't really do that.

Given that there was food available - it was just too expensive for the poorest people to buy, which is the inevitable conclusion of income inequality.

So it was basic needs not being met that caused it and you are attributing it to income equality to fit your argument?

 

[Jokester]

Doesn't really matter how rich the rich are if you can't afford to eat.