Coming from the individual that is 21. Them evil old people!
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Coming from the individual that is 21. Them evil old people!
I don't think we should be interested in the numbers at all to be honest. And yes it is meaningless, unless you think that people suddenly became less poor and less deprived because the median wage fell?
What matters is are people being provided for not how much they earn compared to the average. Do they have a suitable standard of roof over their head? Are they getting the correct nutrition? Are they able to participate culturally?
This seems to be a much better measure to me than "Do they have this arbitrary amount of money?".
You seem a bit caught up on this falling poverty in Scotland thing. Could you provide a URL to evidence? I can't find any news for decreasing poverty. The closest is that poverty in 2009/10 was the same as the preceding years.
In any case, if it did decrease slightly after the crash that doesn't make it a poor statistic, since you have a perfectly good hypothesis why it would happen (falling wages affecting the middle more than the poorest, so that the number of people between the 3rd and 5th decile increased). It would only be meaningless if it moved around and we couldn't explain why.
You can say you want a measure of "how well people are being provided for" other than income but it's not much use making the point if you've got no idea how it could be done. The fact is, all of those things cost money, so it's fairly safe to say that any families earning substantially less than the ones who are doing "OK" are probably struggling.
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Source for this.
I still don't see how it can prove accurate that Labour got more votes from every age group under 65 yet the above 65 voting population was sufficient to change the overall amount by such a vast level.
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Popular vote
Cons 11,334,576
Labour 9,347,304
Percentage
Cons 36.9%
Labour 30.4%
Those are the actual overall result figures. I can't see the over 65 having that much of a skew.
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checking population data, which unfortunately I have no way of checking voter apathy rates
18–24 6.3M
25–34 8.4M
35–44 8.7M
45–54 8.6M
55–64 7.4M
65+ 10.5M
so approx. 39.4M versus 10.5M triggering a massive swing, I can't see it.
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Just read what Mr Jack said, Thanks
The whole thing is indeed twaddle then.
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Soldato
That story, is of course unfortunate and the council are to blame for the stupidity of their decisions, doesn't change my view. People need to stop thinking the social state will be there much longer, people need to realise they can't rely on other peoples generosity to survive.
Why should anyone who has toiled for a lifetime to get a worthwhile job, care that much about someone who does not? (seriously) No one is willing to pay for social liberalism any more.
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Man of Honour
It's the old people wot won it.
Where did you get that and is it just based on membership as the voting slip doesn't have an age box...
Soldato
Incorrect, relative poverty is a scale - a factor.
This factor can be reduced or increased, both choices have social consequences. Just because something is impossible to eliminate, it's entirely possible to mitigate & reduce. Death is inevitable & impossible to get rid of, should be abandon medicine because all it does is extend & mitigate against?. Of course not, that would be a stupid argument.
It's not an either or question, we can ensure a minimum standard of living while also attempting to reduce the factor.
Pulling people out of financial hardship is entirely beneficial to society, money makes a huge impact on a persons wellbeing & happiness (on average) up-to around $70,000 per year (based on US study). Money gained after that has little to no impact on wellbeing. This is because being poor makes many people unhappy, being rich beyond a certain point doesn't make people happy. Taking this into account it makes sense to try to pull as many as close to the 'required' amount for flourishing as possible.
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Soldato
The reality is it's tradition, old people tend to favour conservatism because it echoes from a time of their youth.
Soldato
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/research...-are-not-reality-the-top-10-we-get-wrong.aspx
Interesting demonstration of how the media can impact how people vote. And when i say interesting i mean depressing. How do you even combat bias and misinformation on this scale?
Interesting demonstration of how the media can impact how people vote. And when i say interesting i mean depressing. How do you even combat bias and misinformation on this scale?
Caporegime
I was just thinking that with regards to legalising cannabis. It wouldn't matter what the the evidence was from places like the US said, if there was a referendum on the subject then you'd get all the right-wing press propagating myths and David Cameron rolling up his sleeves and said "Golly gosh, I'm passionate about stopping drug use - it really gets my blood pumping" and then there's no way the UK would ever vote to legalise. Really depressing.
My advice to any young, fit, healthy, professional people is get out of this country while you can.
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Which utopia do you recommend, scorza?
Caporegime
I wouldn't say it was total twaddle just that the exact numbers are going to be out. I would expect the general pattern in differences in Tory:Labour voting patterns with age to hold up, but the actual proportions voting Tory to be higher, and those voting Labour lower, probably across the board.
The 65+ group then, probably, doesn't have the voting power to swing it for the Tories but might well have shifted it from a hung parliament to an outright majority.
I wonder if this article would have a slightly different message using that newer statistic, rather than one from the ONS from 2013 (0.351).
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rogrammes-condemned-by-tory-cabinet-colleague
May doesn't half scare me
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May doesn't half scare me
.That was because of the Hordes from the North.