The Official J&W JW-X48D2-Extreme Thread

WJA96 · 22 Jun 2008 at 13:29

Azza said:
WJA, whats the verdict on this chipset cooling then?

I think you have to be creative to get decent airflow. I've gone back to an old Lian Li CPU duct with the rear fan blowing in to give good airflow over the horizontal loop. In general though, it's pretty decent.

maddness · 22 Jun 2008 at 14:58

Azza said:
Good luck with that.

well maybe because its not a known brand, and giving ~ average to above average clocks, wonder if a wolfy will allow it to break the 500bus barrier

this p5q deluxe is going above 600fsb with these wolfdales

i think the highest ive seen is 625

maddness · 22 Jun 2008 at 15:29

WJA96 said:
I'm struggling to see what your purpose is though?

purpose or point?

anyways, to determine if its a decent board and worth its price tag, or one i / we should avoid, seems there are plenty of decent and cheaper boards out there that perform better, i could be wrong though, i await further results

WJA96 said:
There were no issues with the ICH9 on the P35 board. It wasn't an ICH9R, so they had to fudge it to make it run AHCI with NCQ under Vista. ASUS, Gigabyte etc. had all done that fudge out of the box, but J&W hadn't. They implemented it within a week in the next BIOS release.

i didnt follow that 20+ thread, just bits here and there, seems there are / were problems

WJA96 said:
I'm not interested in blowing up a perfectly good Q9450 by using huge volts on it. If you check out what Cob has had to do to get over 500FSB on his P5Q he's having to use fairly big voltages to get it to run SuperPi. To get his best overclock with the Q6600 he's showing 1.6V in Windows, so I believe he's running 1.7V in the BIOS. I got to Page 9 in that XS thread and there was only 1 person

page 1~ 9 is just info, page 25+ is where the fun begins

heres a e8200 with over 600fsb, not really relevent but something you can look up to

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3047240&postcount=232
http://valid.x86-secret.com/ccpuz.php?id=375519&nocache=1

he doesnt seem to need crazy volts
http://users.pandora.be/OAP/P5QDlx/500-1200prime.jpg

heres cob

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4940/500x8q9450fa7.jpg

another member

http://users.pandora.be/OAP/P5QDlx/500-1200.jpg

and another

http://users.pandora.be/OAP/P5QDlx/cob2.JPG

you dont need insane volts to get to 500fsb

WJA96 said:
Patience. That's in another Intel motherboard I have here for testing at the moment.

dont worry im patient, i just thought maybe you tested and those results were nothing to talk about? my mistake

WJA96 said:
What are you running at the moment?

deluxe and q9250

Cob · 22 Jun 2008 at 15:48

Erm I'm having to put through 1.62v VTT and 1.58v on the NB to get my Q9450 to pass just a couple of hours of OCCT.

Those are very high (VTT is well outside the recommended safe 45nm limits). Really not fair to compare my overclock to one on a different chipset. Or to someone that has the sense to keep their Q9450 within safe limits.

WJA96 · 22 Jun 2008 at 18:36

<maddness> said:
deluxe and q9250

So where's your 500+FSB screenie in all that lot?

WJA96 · 22 Jun 2008 at 18:46

I should probably point out that at the moment I am working in Milton Keynes, Sheffield and Valencia in Spain, but the PCs are in Thetford in Norfolk, so I only really get to play at the weekends, and not all weekend at that as I don't get home until late, and when I do the wife and cat seem to think they deserve attention for some reason.

On top of that, I have had the 4850's this weekend, and the 4870's next weekend, and I have another DDR3 Intel motherboard that I'm testing for someone at the moment, so the X48's are a bit 'yesterday' in my house. I've totally missed out on P45, so I'm certain it's a great board, but if you want a good all-rounder at the moment, I'd buy either the DFI or J&W X48's simply because of the extra bandwidth on the graphics slots and the fact that it does look like 2 x 4850 in CrossFireX will beat one X4870 on it's own.

Bottom line - if you want a specific benchmark run on the J&W, or you want to know how it compares back to back with the LT DFI or the X48-DQ6, then I'm quite happy to help out, but I'm not interested in going to the outer limits on hardware testing. I want to sell some of this stuff on after I've played with it, and no-one's going to buy it if it's degraded by high voltages.

Sorry.

And just to re-iterate - there were no issues with the ICH9 on the P35 after the V1.3b BIOS. There are no issues with the ICH9R on the X48 as far as I can tell, and I've had the retail board running folding@home 24/7 since I got it.

maddness · 22 Jun 2008 at 20:02

WJA96 said:
So where's your 500+FSB screenie in all that lot?

maybe you should actually read my posts above

Bottom line - if you want a specific benchmark run on the J&W, or you want to know how it compares back to back with the LT DFI or the X48-DQ6, then I'm quite happy to help out, but I'm not interested in going to the outer limits on hardware testing. I want to sell some of this stuff on after I've played with it, and no-one's going to buy it if it's degraded by high voltages

ive asked above what i want would like you test, its not asking much, its not going to take excessive anything to get to 500fsb if the board can do it.

although its ok to admit if the board cant do it

, us members just want honest feedback so we can decide which boards are suitable for us.

I guess i may have to wait till other members report their findings but i doubt no ones going to get this over something reputable

WJA96 · 22 Jun 2008 at 21:06

So, what you're saying is my feedback isn't honest? Or reliable? You won't be at all surprised to hear that I take great exception to that.

Azza · 22 Jun 2008 at 21:20

Some 500fsb+ from VictorWang on this motherboard for you maddness...

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11510283&postcount=1

maddness · 22 Jun 2008 at 22:53

not bad from a wolfdale

zero-one · 22 Jun 2008 at 23:02

Wow, it's got a bit heated in here.

I have a question for people who own this board -

I am by no means an expert user. How easy would it for me to put my e6750, 4x1GB of geil black dragon 6400 and clock it to 3.2ghz (400fsb)?

The only experience i've got of clocking is on my two gigabyte p35 mobos.

Any help much appreciated.

EDIT: Extra question - which coolers fit this board? I've got a lapped Thermalright Ultra 90 which i'd like to keep. Do you reckon it would fit?

BUFF · 23 Jun 2008 at 04:03

<maddness> said:
well maybe because its not a known brand, and giving ~ average to above average clocks, wonder if a wolfy will allow it to break the 500bus barrier

this p5q deluxe is going above 600fsb with these wolfdales

i think the highest ive seen is 625

you'll get a higher fsb with a dual than a quad but also these very high fsbs are pointless because the boards are running very relaxed performance levels in order to get there - I'm sure that I saw 1 on XS that was running tRD in the teens!

WJA96 · 23 Jun 2008 at 12:09

zero-one said:
I am by no means an expert user. How easy would it for me to put my e6750, 4x1GB of geil black dragon 6400 and clock it to 3.2ghz (400fsb)?

In theory, it should be as simple as setting the strap to 400MHz, set the CPU Clock to Manual, and key in [400]. The 400MHz strap should set everything else required to run the CPU at 400MHz comfortably. Depending on your current CPU voltage, you might need to tweak it up a touch, and the RAM, if that doesn't run at 1.85V by default.

You can turn off speedstep, but with such a small overclock, you'll probably find you don't need to, unless your E6750 is especially volt-hungry.

zero-one said:
EDIT: Extra question - which coolers fit this board? I've got a lapped Thermalright Ultra 90 which i'd like to keep. Do you reckon it would fit?

If it sits inside the square box surrounding the CPU socket, then it will fit, and probably be quite a good choice with the horizontal loop cooler on the northbridge. The stock Intel fan is 80mm with another 1cm on each side for the lugs. I think it should fit fine.

WJA96 · 23 Jun 2008 at 12:10

BUFF said:
you'll get a higher fsb with a dual than a quad but also these very high fsbs are pointless because the boards are running very relaxed performance levels in order to get there - I'm sure that I saw 1 on XS that was running tRD in the teens!

You are, of course, 100% correct, but we're talking about the length of the ePenis here

Jumping · 23 Jun 2008 at 12:56

So WJA when you selling the x48 board? I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one to keep my X-fire options open

I have been very pleased with my J&W board and wouldn't hesitate to getting another one in the future.

Thanks for all the info wja

kenofstephen · 23 Jun 2008 at 16:28

WJA96 said:
In theory, it should be as simple as setting the strap to 400MHz, set the CPU Clock to Manual, and key in [400]. The 400MHz strap should set everything else required to run the CPU at 400MHz comfortably. Depending on your current CPU voltage, you might need to tweak it up a touch, and the RAM, if that doesn't run at 1.85V by default.

You can turn off speedstep, but with such a small overclock, you'll probably find you don't need to, unless your E6750 is especially volt-hungry.

If it sits inside the square box surrounding the CPU socket, then it will fit, and probably be quite a good choice with the horizontal loop cooler on the northbridge. The stock Intel fan is 80mm with another 1cm on each side for the lugs. I think it should fit fine.

leaving the strap option to auto is better

kenofstephen · 23 Jun 2008 at 16:32

<maddness> said:
not bad from a wolfdale

you don't look like you are a potential buyer and you don't look like a supporter here either,

actually, what is your purpose here?? :confused:

what's wrong with this thread, gentleman?

zero-one · 23 Jun 2008 at 16:45

Thanks for the reply WJA96.

I'm going to wait for a bit I think. I'll probably get a HD4850 and Crossfire it with my HD3870 if that will work?

Scougar · 23 Jun 2008 at 16:57

zero-one said:
Thanks for the reply WJA96.

I'm going to wait for a bit I think. I'll probably get a HD4850 and Crossfire it with my HD3870 if that will work?

Recent news on FUD means it is looking likely 3xxx and 4xxx series ati cards will NOT work together. Sell the 38xx and put it towards getting a 4850, it will outpace the 3870 by a far margin! I would also take a serious look at the x48 board as it looks to be fantastic if you can afford it

Have suggested (privately) that this thread be cleaned up.

Matthew

zero-one · 23 Jun 2008 at 17:49

Thanks matey. If that is the case then i'm afraid i may have to hold on. I would only do it if i could go to Crossfire. Can only afford the mobo and a single HD4850 at the moment.

I've looked around and it doesn't look i'd get too much for HD3870.

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