***The Official LG Nexus 4 Thread***

ps3ud0 said:
For the fact I need to ask makes it in my mind a quagmire, I just always thought its a safe assumption in life that when you go for a flagship product you end up with the one that has the most features or support - with Android though it seems thats an exception, and I just dont understand why (I get the hardware situation and tbh thats easily researched/understood).

I completely understand that Sky Go is both a good and bad example of this (Tom Toms another), but its hard to work out if thats an exception or indicative of the future (these arent one man band developers making unpopular apps), especially considering the amount of Android devices that developers now need to vaguely attempt to cater for against the fact its not as profitable as other platforms compared to effort involved with ubiquitous support.

Right now Id agree with your last statement (as I would have said with previous Nexus releases) but it seems to fall by the wayside far quicker than Id like and even your assurance isnt a guarantee - its quite a viscious circle which Google really need to fix.

ps3ud0 :cool:
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I'm not sure how anything falls by the wayside with a Nexus device as you put it. The Galaxy Nexus will receive the latest version of Android with all it's features over the air officially within days of the Nexus 4 release... It will continue to receive the latest version for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps it would be easier to hear which apps in particular your going to struggle to have when switching from IOS to a Nexus 4 as right now your argument is very vague...
 
ps3ud0 has a fair point. With iPhone/iPad, you buy an app and it works. The screen elements work properly and everything fits on the screen in an optimal way.
With Android, how many times have you downloaded an app to find that it doesn't render correctly or screen elements are too big/too small or it just plain doesn't work?

A good example would be the eBay app. Try it on an iPad then try it on a Nexus 7. The Android version is horrible to use and it really just a web-app. The iOS version is beautiful and works seamlessly.

Now, I have Android devices and I enjoy them for what they are but I totally get the points that some make around app compatibility and for the average user, this can be an issue.

Power users don't care because we can always find ways around issues. Mouthbreathers don't care as as long as they have Facebook they are happy. The middle ground can get irritated.
 
Rilot said:
I totally get the points that some make around app compatibility and for the average user, this can be an issue.
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Exactly. I'm not trying to stir, I understand what is annoying ps3ud0 and it makes me think he perhaps wouldn't be happy with Android.

1) Brand spanking new OS's always have compatibility issues until developers catch up. So surely a Nexus 4 wouldn't be a good choice. An S3, that has massive sales and devs are more likely to want to pander to, would be a better choice.

2) Google don't have a track record of forcing people to do anything, let alone try and force compatibility with a brand new OS (see above). If you're after a supplier of OS that will do this kind of thing, you're probably better suited to Apple.

Is it really that odd?
 
AndyCr15 said:
Because Android does have these little niggles, some things wont work on your particular phone. It would appear this is the kind of thing that will annoy you and you can't really get away from that on Android, that's how it is.

On a related subject, what do people think a flagship phone is? I wouldn't say the Nexus 4 is a flagship device. I still don't think it's as good as the S3. Sure, it's Google's own phone which they will bring 4.2 to us with, but relating to the above, this means it is much much less likely to be compatible with everything.
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Ta man, I just making sure you werent trying to just dismiss me :p. I have a tendency to over-analyse these things (though in this instance I dont really have any real details than what Ive read on here) but end of day I just want a device that works for me, not me working for it.

With regards to your interesting question, I just thought thats what Google were doing by bringing out these Nexus phones as an identifable device that works with their OS, just like MS and the Nokia Lumias.
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Also, this is a pretty silly comment and makes me think you're better suited to Apple.
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Well how wrong was I :p. Why is it a silly comment when you actually proposed a question partily on it :confused:

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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The Nexus 4 really isn't a flagship handset, it's the reference device. If anything you're more likely to have issues as it will always have the latest and greatest firmware - that's the whole point. You just need to accept that being on the bleeding edge doesn't mean great app compatibility always, if you want that then go for a more consumer focused device like a Samsung Galaxy S3.
 
To me the Nexus is simply a phone Google can call it's own and do with as they wish. It means there's none of the bloat, can be sold SIM free and can have all the features Google want. Usually it's not the best hardware, possibly the last three have not been as good as a device released 6 months previous.
 
It's all just a product of Android being much more open then IOS. Lets not forget there are some beautifully made and working Android apps available too.

I'm not sure mentioning the tablet eco system is particularly relevant in this thread Rilot, it obviously needs work but we are discussing the Nexus 4 in this thread and how the eco system works for a phone, perfectly fine might I add.

I think I clearly differ in opinion to others here when I say I absolutely feel the Nexus 4 is a Google flagship device, I'm not entirely sure what more it would need to warrant a 'flagship' title?
 
AndyCr15 said:
To me the Nexus is simply a phone Google can call it's own and do with as they wish. It means there's none of the bloat, can be sold SIM free and can have all the features Google want. Usually it's not the best hardware, possibly the last three have not been as good as a device released 6 months previous.
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I think you guys are confused Ive already mentioned that I dont expect it to be the best hardware out there - but I still fail to see how its not flagship - how is it not the phone Google want to push to prospective Android users over offerings from other manufacturers? The amount of Google branding Ive seen on the previous Nexus adverts and the new Motorolas makes me suspect

Honestly I really wish people would actually realise theres far more to a phone than the spec list, especially when I hear time and again that the best Android phones are the ones which have all the crap stripped out of them and use vanilla Android.
m4rk84 said:
I'm not sure how anything falls by the wayside with a Nexus device as you put it. The Galaxy Nexus will receive the latest version of Android with all it's features over the air officially within days of the Nexus 4 release... It will continue to receive the latest version for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps it would be easier to hear which apps in particular your going to struggle to have when switching from IOS to a Nexus 4 as right now your argument is very vague...
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Sorry I missed this before, I dont have a real apps list that Ive gone through and looked at if theres an alternative, I dont consider the apps I use as niche so kinda assumed that Ill easily find a free/pay alternative if I cant find the exact vendor version. I just raised the subject just on the basis that its great to have a Nexus phone knowing it will have decent OS support (why Id only consider a Nexus device), but when that phone itself doesnt have the same 'guarantee' with apps and when such apps are form established services it makes me wonder what would happen in the forseeable future, its a niggle now, that might become a real annoyance...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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But surely the S4 Pro + Andreno 320 chipset is bleeding edge at the moment? Is it not supposed to be better than IP5 hardware and more battery efficient?
 
ps3ud0 said:
I think you guys are confused Ive already mentioned that I dont expect it to be the best hardware out there - but I still fail to see how its not flagship - how is it not the phone Google want to push to prospective Android users over offerings from other manufacturers? The amount of Google branding Ive seen on the previous Nexus adverts and the new Motorolas makes me suspect

Honestly I really wish people would actually realise theres far more to a phone than the spec list, especially when I hear time and again that the best Android phones are the ones which have all the crap stripped out of them and use vanilla Android.

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Your lack of experience with Android is really showing here. Vanilla Android has all the features you could possibly want or need, it's feature rich. Manufacturer versions just rebrand the features with ugly skins and name them stuff like "S-Voice" with touchwiz or sense.

Many people much prefer Google's version which is vanilla Android, it is no less feature complete.
 
AndyCr15 said:
Exactly. I'm not trying to stir, I understand what is annoying ps3ud0 and it makes me think he perhaps wouldn't be happy with Android.

1) Brand spanking new OS's always have compatibility issues until developers catch up. So surely a Nexus 4 wouldn't be a good choice. An S3, that has massive sales and devs are more likely to want to pander to, would be a better choice.

2) Google don't have a track record of forcing people to do anything, let alone try and force compatibility with a brand new OS (see above). If you're after a supplier of OS that will do this kind of thing, you're probably better suited to Apple.

Is it really that odd?
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Sorry bit behind on the replies!

I think I didnt make my point that clear, is it that silly to think if I created an OS and then a device that used that OS that any application that a third party created on that OS worked on my device? Thats what I thought Id get if I bought a Google Nexus phone (or I guess a Motorola) - why is that assumption so wrong or accepted to be wrong?
Em3bbs said:
The Nexus 4 really isn't a flagship handset, it's the reference device. If anything you're more likely to have issues as it will always have the latest and greatest firmware - that's the whole point. You just need to accept that being on the bleeding edge doesn't mean great app compatibility always, if you want that then go for a more consumer focused device like a Samsung Galaxy S3.
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With AndyCr15s first point, I now understand what you guys means about it not being an advantage to having the most up-to-date OS as it means developers have to patch their apps accordingly. I never thought of it like that. Why is the S3 better than the Nexus for this? Purely because it isnt so aggressively supported with OS updates or because its a popular phone for consumers and therefore devs? Are there devs that only target single devices within the Andriod platform?

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Oxide™ said:
But surely the S4 Pro + Andreno 320 chipset is bleeding edge at the moment? Is it not supposed to be better than IP5 hardware and more battery efficient?
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It absolutely is bleeding edge.

Bar the camera, which is pretty much on par with the competition.
 
ps3ud0 said:
I think you guys are confused Ive already mentioned that I dont expect it to be the best hardware out there - but I still fail to see how its not flagship - how is it not the phone Google want to push to prospective Android users over offerings from other manufacturers? The amount of Google branding Ive seen on the previous Nexus adverts and the new Motorolas makes me suspect

Honestly I really wish people would actually realise theres far more to a phone than the spec list, especially when I hear time and again that the best Android phones are the ones which have all the crap stripped out of them and use vanilla Android.

Sorry I missed this before, I dont have a real apps list that Ive gone through and looked at if theres an alternative, I dont consider the apps I use as niche so kinda assumed that Ill easily find a free/pay alternative if I cant find the exact vendor version. I just raised the subject just on the basis that its great to have a Nexus phone knowing it will have decent OS support (why Id only consider a Nexus device), but when that phone itself doesnt have the same 'guarantee' with apps and when such apps are form established services it makes me wonder what would happen in the forseeable future, its a niggle now, that might become a real annoyance...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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it does not quite work that way, its not so much flagship but reference, samsung and HTC ect ect will have a flagship phone. Google are selling this at cost as a reference device
 
Ps3udo when the Nexus 4 is released 99.9% of the apps will work for it, when Android is updated to 4.3 99.9% of the apps will work with that too, on day one. Android doesn't work how you think it works an update to the OS does not render all the apps in need of an update to begin working again.

It's pointless going round in circles you will never be able to have an informed opinion till you try it, so either try Android on the N4 for a few weeks and see how you get on, or just stick with IOS. There's not really a whole lot more to explain to you. :)
 
m4rk84 said:
Your lack of experience with Android is really showing here. Vanilla Android has all the features you could possibly want or need, it's feature rich. Manufacturer versions just rebrand the features with ugly skins and name them stuff like "S-Voice" with touchwiz or sense.

Many people much prefer Google's version which is vanilla Android, it is no less feature complete.
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Not really what youve just said is my understanding - perhaps you misread? I just wrote crap instead of skins/rebranding...
m4rk84 said:
I think I clearly differ in opinion to others here when I say I absolutely feel the Nexus 4 is a Google flagship device, I'm not entirely sure what more it would need to warrant a 'flagship' title?
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You and me both, flagship doesnt have to just mean the best hardware out there, just the one thats sold purported to have the best experience , though now with people mentioning it isnt a great advantage to have OS updates due to niggles and issues perhaps the Nexus isnt for me at all.
_Jimlad_ said:
it does not quite work that way, its not so much flagship but reference, samsung and HTC ect ect will have a flagship phone. Google are selling this at cost as a reference device
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Understood, shame really I once thought its best to get a Nexus device to get what Google expect to be the overall/best? experience of Andriod, you guys have kinda quashed that thought and it seems the only reason to get this phone is cos its cheap for what its hardware spec is, not anything to do with the fact is manufacturer specced for their own OS.

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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Where in the Play Store do I put my payment settings? I have bought various things from my old SGS2, but I want to make sure my payment info is correct so I can ensure a fast transaction when the site goes live.

Any ideas?


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