*** The Official Microsoft Surface Thread ***

Rt is going to be rolled into wp, bringing it down two two o's and just one app store.
Well it sounds more like phone capability being rolled into rt.

Looks likely surface 3 will still be rt using the tegra k1 chip. Hope its he 64bit version, rather than 32bit.
 
Trig said:
I really hope the next gen Atom's are a bit faster and that MS drop the RT and just have full fat Win8.1 and WP8.1, 2 OS's is easier from their POV surely, then we just need Intel to make the Atom's a bit faster as the current ones are poor, had a play with a Toshiba W8 thing and its painfully slow to the point that there is no point in it...
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The Baytrail Atom is factually faster than what's in the Surface 2 on the CPU side, they're decently fast for Windows.

My brother uses a C50 and tbh, it's perfect speed wise.
 
Yes but the Surface 2 is RT, I want something thats fast enough to run full fat OS not the cut down version.
 
Cherry tail is out towards the end of the year, 14nm rather than baytrails 22nm, so should see decent gains. Although not much info about it yet. Other than tablets will be out in time for Christmas.
 
I thought 14nm was delayed, there's a fair bit of smoke and mirrors about it, although the 14nm broadwell would be absolutely required for Surface 3 Pro, although I'm concerned Broadwell won't be ready in time, but it'd be an absolute mistake to not have it.

I'd much rather see Cherry Trail in a Surface at 400 quid than the new Tegra, if they're adamant with RT, they should make an 8" at 250 and put in the new Tegra (Nvidia needs sales :p)
 
I still think you need a 10" arm, the problem with that is 4 devices, which might just get a bit confusing.
The desktop needs to be removed from rt but that requires office to be methodised which they are doing. Rolled in with wp which again according to rumours they're doing.
So ideally
8" rt and 10" rt, in direct competition with iPad/android. Simple and old windows stripped out
Then 10"atom for office use
10" pro for power user.
 
Why do you need a 10" ARM? Especially when Cherry Trail comes round, the ARM benefits over X86 will be nigh on nil to the end user (They practically are now to be honest, hell, with the Dell XPS 10 which ran Clovertrail, with the dock it had far better battery power than the Surface)
 
Martini1991 said:
Why do you need a 10" ARM? Especially when Cherry Trail comes round, the ARM benefits over X86 will be nigh on nil to the end user.
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For simplicity, windows is just to complicated and not needed by most people. and would be far better of with a direct ios/android competitor.

Plus we need someone to make a costumer focused atom tablet. Rather than the expensive and cheap build, enterprise editions we've had so far. Can't say I've been impressed with the current atom devices. That's nothing against Intel, its the OEMs. Other than the Lenovo 8"

Also 14nm was delayed to 2nd half of 2014. It was meant to be in production already for early summer release. Instead early summer manufacturing for sometime in 2nd half release.
 
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Until Microsoft really, really, really invest mega bucks and essentially force people to develop apps without omitting them for big releases, I'm wanting the death of RT (We get San Andreas, but we're still missing countless big titles, FM could easily be brought to the tablet, Fifa etc, and then those pesky limitations which screw over any possible emulation for anything beyond a gameboy etc)

The Surface 2's power is somewhat wasted (San Andreas is unoptimised piece of crap too) as there's nothing to really tax it, at least on an X86 Tab I could emulate PS1 games etc etc.

And the VLC episode is not impressing me one bit, it's not out for any WinRT platforms yet, and the ARM one most certainly won't be out at the same time as X86.
 
And they had the cheek to ask for a large chuck of money from users to bring it to RT and WP, which they got, and have done nothing.
 
cu3ed said:
And they had the cheek to ask for a large chuck of money from users to bring it to RT and WP, which they got, and have done nothing.
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It's not cheek really, people keep confusing Windows RT and Windows RunTime which is the worst part (Like Glau prior)

ARM and WP8 versions are coming, but they didn't even have a store valid app until very recently, they needed to get any WinRT platform working, which they now have, Windows RT soon (So, sometime this year :p) then WP8.
 
No, they're being confusing and misleading. Not surprising with the amount of hate they've been getting over this.
Not that I really care as I have no use for the app. But more apps on the market place the better.
 
They've been quite transparent though that X86 first, then ARM though, even evading the whole RT thing.

Either way, it's frustrating with how long VLC's taking, and I think it's been ridiculous Windows RT/ARM needs it.
 
They been transparent on that, they haven't been transparent on the process. Are you ignoring all the comments, and posts. which they could have responded to at any time and haven't.
 
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