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And ipso can't do what rt does,
There's very little rt can't do. It's the lack of apps.

There however is zero logical reason to kill it, as I have pointed out. It is absolutely necessary for a multitude of reasons.
 
If it is a Surface Mini, how long will we have to wait for it to land here in the UK though...

I hope its full fat Win8.1 not RT though, saying that if its Atom and Win8.1 I might be more likely to go for the RT option as Atoms are just too weak imho for full fat...
 
Who knows but it will not be i3 it will be atom or rt. Would like to think they've learnt there lesson and have supply out quickly after an unveil, somehow I doubt it though.
Batteries can't store enough to put an I-series in that form factor.
 
The OS has limitations, it's not just apps And also MS's validation, hence why we're still waiting on VLC.

PS1 emulation for example, the reason it doesn't have an app is because of a limitation which would hamper performance = None starter.

Although what can't iOS do that Windows RT can?

You haven't given any logical reason not to remove Windows RT entirely, or shown why it's absolutely necessary either.
 
Glaucus said:
Haha that's funny season limitations, you a programmer are you?

VLC isn't here yet because of them, not the limitations.
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Well the validation's obviously causing problems (Which is a limitation), you know given they've had an X86 version on Windows Store for a month now, an X86 none store app for years, an Android App and an iOS app.

And with PS1 emulation? It's been stated by people who make the emulators that it's a no go.
 
There's also some video files that are UNPLAYABLE on Windows RT, yet work on Windows X86 with Microsoft's Video app, and work on my Xperia Z1 with its default video player.

But what do I know?
 
Vic is not a limitation, it's how they have decided to go for it.
Yes ps1 is a limitation atm. Which may or may not be a workaround.
But one limitation in a fairly niche area is not a huge issue, how about all the limitations on iPad? Or you just forget about them and focus on one with rt? I'm well aware it's the latter with you. Ignore ios limitations as it's successful. But ignore rt advantages as it's not yet.

Don't know a lot it seems, as any video format can be programmed in, there isn't one video codec than can not be included in RT.
 
You haven't told me what Windows RT can do that iOS can't.

And like I say, there's video files which are unplayable on Windows RT, but aren't on Windows 8's default video app, or my Z1's.
And that limitation with the PS1 emulation isn't exclusive to PS1 emulation.

So, Microsoft's app which works on X86 plays it, but doesn't run it on Windows RT? I've tried every player on Windows RT, Windows RT is the sum of its App Store.
 
Dows it really need to be pointed out, you have several hundred o's level operations, let alone UI like split screen, network connection in 8.11 etc. Even simple things like ad cards, USB etc.

There's literally thousands of things it can do ios can't do at every level.
 
I don't know what you mean by network connection.
I think I can give you Split Screen.

iOS is quite limited, I went a bit over the top on that, I don't like iOS :p
 
Well you heed to read up more on the o's, perhaps watch all the keynotes from MS events and perhaps you wouldn't think like you do. amongst other things it can log you into public networks automatically, something ios doesn't do.

Again the video is not an rt limitation, it's an app limitation. As said an app can be programmed for any codec and format, there is no limitation in that respect.
 
Martini1991 said:
So, why can't MS's own app play the same video it can only X86?
It's MS's app.
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As they haven't programmed it to. For what ever reason they decided, which if you read the blogs, seems to be for no other reason than forcing content providers to use certain codecs. Very much like apple and MS trying to force HTML5. But they don't have nearly a big enough market share.

Which is something else they've done badly, their apps should be the dogs bullocks and do everything. It's like there map apps, not supporting many different maps, it's like bing maps web version is so so much better than Google maps, yet none of it available on bing maps app. No gpx importing, no OS, hike&bike and other map data which is available on web version.
It's like the app version is purely for cars, yet being a portable device tablet or phone, much more likely to want footpath, trail and other data as well as gpx and other importing.
Thank god for geogps on onone, but they haven't ported it to w8, I hope they do. Although they haven't eleven replied to my feedback.
 
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PowerDVD App on X86 runs the video, but the same PowerDVD App on Windows RT doesn't :p
No App on the store plays it on Windows RT, but every single one of their X86 ones does.

Occams razor.
 
Martini1991 said:
PowerDVD App on X86 runs the video, but the same PowerDVD App on Windows RT doesn't :p
No App on the store plays it on Windows RT, but every single one of their X86 ones does.

Occams razor.
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Not at all. It's because they are using built in codecs, which aren't on et. The app needs to include it temselfs, RT has a lot less built in codecs, again this is all in the blogs. Apps can include what ever codecs they want. So it's simply app developers either being lazy or what ever for at you are trying to play they deem to small a market.
 
Glaucus said:
There's lots of points you wing attract developers with out-dated hardware, and you are unlikely to see phones with atom chips as standard.
The whole point with win8 is to combine all the OS in to one. Wp8.1 and w8.11 take this a step further making it one store rather than two and further reduce the programming difference between the apps.

It makes zero sense for rt to be replaced. Other than for you who seem to want it to die, for no reason, other than you personally don't like it.

However I wouldn't be surprised if the mini is atom, as every other mini is atom based, it all depends of its marketed at consumer or enterprise.

With each windows update 100s well last one was several thousand of extra API are being added to metro. Rt and x86
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And this is an argument for Windows RT, how?

I think you confuse things. I'm not against the Windows Store, WinRT (as in, Windows Runtime) or the concept of universal apps. Quite the opposite. As the Windows Store becomes more populated, the move might even make system architecture irrelevant. That isn't today though. And the success of this plan isn't dependent on the success on Windows RT. Windows RT (as a consumer tablet OS) could exit the market today and it wouldn't affect the overarching plan in the slightest.

It's not even that I don't like RT. I just don't see the point in it for a consumer tablet given Windows 8 has everything Windows RT has and more. If they can get RT running well on lower spec'd hardware then maybe it has a future in low cost computers for emerging markets or schools, or as part of the Internet of Things?
 
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