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***The Official MSI 5850 Twin FrozeR Thread***

What are you running crossfire...

This is taken from a 6950 on the 6950 overclocking thread...

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What card do you have and what settings and resolution are you running?

msi HD5850 1680x1050 stock setting when heaven opens but i turn on 2X AA rather than no AA
 
Overclock with best min FPS without changing voltage (my card crashes when i do)
is core clock 825mhz/memory 1200mhz

heaven benchmark

score: 1517
avg fps: 60.2
min fps: 32.7
max fps: 97.5

Yeah sorry but I don't believe you...

Heres mine.. this is 1920x1080, with 4xAA with 950 core and 1250 memory...

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And heres Marine-RX179's score with 1000core and 1300 memory at 1920x1080p...

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I know the resolution your running is a little lower but no way, your claiming faster than 6950 speeds with only a slight lower resolution...

I would like to see a screeny... ;)
 
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I think my card is faulty :(

It crashes at stock settings in Kombuster, will do further testing on this and another platform but I think it's RMA time.

Does anybody know if I have to pay for shipping to OcUK if the card is found faulty within this time period?

EDIT: turned off unofficial overclocking and done Kombustor for 35 mins, all good so far.
 
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thats the stock setting... thats what i run it on... dont like it you GTFOi dont play DX11 games... i also like to have my fps about 30fps thats really all i care about..
Actually I found is that with moderate level of tessellation (not normal level), 1920x1080, 4xAA, 16xAF, besides the low frame rate dipping to around 24fps in the very beginning of Heaven Bench (due the heavy amount of tessellation I think), for the rest of the bench the overclock 5850 would pretty much remain at around 30fps and above.

Considering you are only on 1680x1050 res, I think it might be possible for you to get reasonable frame rate using moderate tessellation, 4xAA, 16xAF. Your 5850 would probably struggle a bit at stock speed, but I think if you work at overclocking the card, it should give you good enough result on smooth enough frame rate.

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I ran the Heaven Bench at 1680x1050 dx11, 4xAA, 16xAF, moderate tessellation with my two stable overclock profiles (instead using the 1000core/1300memory). The settings are core900MHz/memory1200MHz/voltage1.240v and core975MHz/memory1100MHz/voltage1.265v, and here is the result:
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975core1680.jpg

From my previous bench, I found that by turn the tessellation from moderate to disable, it would give around 10fps high in frame rate (and that was at 1920 res, so for 1680 res it might give even more frame rate than that). So basically if you can overclock your 5850, you should be able to run the bench at 1680x1050 dx11, 4xAA, 16xAF, tessellation (disabled) with minimum frame rate at around 35fps.

But I have to say...with minimum frame rate at close to 25fps with moderate tessellation is not bad result at all.
 
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hmm looks like marine-rx179 has either not seen my post or is ignoring it/not bothering to answer, guess I'll go talk to myself as usual :(
Ah sorry...I did read your post, but I can't really recall my bios setting at the top of my head. You should have a look at the following...this is what I used as a base reference when I first attempting my overclock:
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=571646

My Q6600 require vcore of 1.49v in bios in order to manage prime stable for 12 hours (couldn't be bothered for longer than that). The reason I need such a high vcore is because my Q6600 G0's VID is 1.3125v, and my 4th core is weaker than the other 3 so I needed the extra voltage to keep it stable. For my Q6600 G0 3.6GHz overclock, I use 400x9, with memory at 800MHz to keep the 1:1 ratio.

As for benchmark results, I'm not too bother with the numbers at the moment as my only focus was to find the best overclock setting with acceptable voltage. I did use BFBC2 for testing stability, and after numbermous crashes, I eventually settled on the two profiles I listed at post #39. And during BFBC2, the GPU usage was pretty much at 99-100% almost throughout the entire duration of the 1st mission, so the Q6600 at 3.6GHz is definitely not bottlenecking the 5850. And I have upgrading from a iiyama 1680x1050 20" monitor to a BenQ G2222HDL 1920x1080 res 21.5" LED monitor a few days ago.
 
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Actually I found is that with moderate level of tessellation (not normal level), 1920x1080, 4xAA, 16xAF, besides the low frame rate dipping to around 24fps in the very beginning of Heaven Bench (due the heavy amount of tessellation I think), for the rest of the bench the overclock 5850 would pretty much remain at around 30fps and above.

Considering you are only on 1680x1050 res, I think it might be possible for you to get reasonable frame rate using moderate tessellation, 4xAA, 16xAF. Your 5850 would probably struggle a bit at stock speed, but I think if you work at overclocking the card, it should give you good enough result on smooth enough frame rate.

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I ran the Heaven Bench at 1680x1050 dx11, 4xAA, 16xAF, moderate tessellation with my two stable overclock profiles (instead using the 1000core/1300memory). The settings are core900MHz/memory1200MHz/voltage1.240v and core975MHz/memory1100MHz/voltage1.265v, and here is the result:
900core1680.jpg
975core1680.jpg

From my previous bench, I found that by turn the tessellation from moderate to disable, it would give around 10fps high in frame rate (and that was at 1920 res, so for 1680 res it might give even more frame rate than that). So basically if you can overclock your 5850, you should be able to run the bench at 1680x1050 dx11, 4xAA, 16xAF, tessellation (disabled) with minimum frame rate at around 35fps.

But I have to say...with minimum frame rate at close to 25fps with moderate tessellation is not bad result at all.

i cant change the voltage on my card as soon as i do the card just crashes even if i only change the voltage a tiny bit....
 
Have you "enabled the unofficial overclock" yet?

yes thats how i got my

core clock: 825
and memory clock: 1200

anything higher than this and the card would slow down also removing a bit of memory and adding more core clock slowed it down too however it was stable upto 875 core clock and i went upto a 1250 memory clock no crashes it just slowed down a bit
 
I'm trying the max 775/1125 overclock with Unofficial Overclocking disabled at @1.095V.

The card gives me serious headaches refusing to overclock at all :(

Has anyone tried contacting MSI about a more updated BIOS? They could have at least get rid of the limits.
 
I'm trying the max 775/1125 overclock with Unofficial Overclocking disabled at @1.095V.

The card gives me serious headaches refusing to overclock at all :(

Has anyone tried contacting MSI about a more updated BIOS? They could have at least get rid of the limits.
Just curious...have you tried higher voltage for overclock, or are you having the same problem as Monster ninja on upping the voltage?
 
Just curious...have you tried higher voltage for overclock, or are you having the same problem as Monster ninja on upping the voltage?

I'm trying to figure it out mate, it works perfectly fine at default voltage and 775/1125 clocks, it crashes at anything below it, trying to up the voltage and see what the outcomes are. I might send the card under DSR if it fails to deliver, it doesn't even do what its advertised to :(
 
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Seem to finally have it fairly stable now with all games I play regularly at least, for some reason borderlands showed up a lot more problems than other games.. it seems the culprit was the 850 core, so to fix this I knocked it down to 840 and all seems fine. Makes me wonder though since 850 wouldnt stay stable at 1.280 but 840 is stable at 1.250.

Chips must have their limits ey?

Btw: To anyone wondering apparently the big issue with the 58xx series seems to be heat rather than voltage, at least thats what I can gather from research (to sensible limits ofc). Also the MSI website advertises overvoltage for these cards up to 1.35 so anything below 1.3 has to be safe right?
 
Yep, the card failed at 1.105V with these clocks yet it doesn't fail at default voltage of 1.1V. I think the voltage controller is borked. Which Afterburner ver. are you guys using?

Seem to finally have it fairly stable now with all games I play regularly at least, for some reason borderlands showed up a lot more problems than other games.. it seems the culprit was the 850 core, so to fix this I knocked it down to 840 and all seems fine. Makes me wonder though since 850 wouldnt stay stable at 1.280 but 840 is stable at 1.250.

Chips must have their limits ey?

Btw: To anyone wondering apparently the big issue with the 58xx series seems to be heat rather than voltage, at least thats what I can gather from research (to sensible limits ofc). Also the MSI website advertises overvoltage for these cards up to 1.35 so anything below 1.3 has to be safe right?

There's something seriously wrong with these cards, advertised as great overclocks they fail to deliver with their low overclocks requiring very high voltages. Take yours as an example, my reference Sapphire 5850 (average, mind you, see the old overclocking thread where some get far better results than me with stock cooling) does 835MHz on core and 1200MHz on memory at its stock 1.087V. Your MSI card requires 15% more volts to do the same! I could bench at 1GHz on core with your voltages :eek:

And yes, it's false advertising from MSI since Afterburner limits the cards to 1.3V anyway. Plus some don't tolerate voltage control at all, like mine :(

I'm leaning towards sending it back atm. Radeon 6950 looks even more tempting with its ability to unlock now.
 
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Using afterburner 2.0 without issues and gpu-z 0.4.0 (the only version of gpu-z that actually reports stuff semi properly for me).

Also I dont have a problem running high voltages tbh providing the components can take it and the gpu stays coolish as it does since it tends to max out in the mid 60's gaming. would have been nicer to have a good overclocker I guess but for the price I got it for I can't complain.
 
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There's something seriously wrong with these cards, advertised as great overclocks they fail to deliver with their low overclocks requiring very high voltages. Take yours as an example, my reference Sapphire 5850 (average, mind you, see the old overclocking thread where some get far better results than me with stock cooling) does 835MHz on core and 1200MHz on memory at its stock 1.087V. Your MSI card requires 15% more volts to do the same! I could bench at 1GHz on core with your voltages :eek:
The way I see it is that you can't really compare the Twin FrozR to you reference 5850, as while they both bare the name "5850", I think they are two different breed of animals due to different design.

Instead of keep thinking about how low voltage your reference 5850 can overclock on and trying to overclock using those same voltage, have you actually tried something like 1.2v or higher on overclocking the Twin FrozR?

I pretty much settled on 900/1200 on 1.240v and decided to leave it there.
 
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