***The Official MSI 5850 Twin FrozeR Thread***

[Mr Krugga]

Don't you see the issue? My MSI card hasn't got any overclocking potential since the voltage controller is borked.

1.095V 775/1125 - can't do
1.100V 775/1125 - can do (stock voltage)
1.105V 775/1125 - can't do

The question is: do I send it as faulty or under DSR?

 

[danceforfreedom]

Depends how long you've had it...

DRS's only give you a certain time frame 1 or 2 weeks i think i don't know...

If its in that time frame either but if its not I think you could send it back as faulty...

 

[Balb0wa]

Depends how long you've had it...

DRS's only give you a certain time frame 1 or 2 weeks i think i don't know...

If its in that time frame either but if its not I think you could send it back as faulty...

i bought two, one of mines faulty, do i rma or dsr it? started the rma procedure, its like sticking pins in your eye though, not impressed

 

[Marine-RX179]

Don't you see the issue? My MSI card hasn't got any overclocking potential since the voltage controller is borked.

1.095V 775/1125 - can't do
1.100V 775/1125 - can do (stock voltage)
1.105V 775/1125 - can't do

The question is: do I send it as faulty or under DSR?

Sorry, I missed your post at #63. So your problem is with the unofficial overclocking enabled, it will crash no matter what voltage you use?

I haven't actually bothered trying less than 1.200v, as I started with 1.200v and changed the core clock straight to 900MHz, and started my tweaking from there. I haven't use Kombuster to stress test, I only used Heaven Benchmark 2.1 and running BFBC2 for testing stability.

I think I do find weird is that when I first unlock voltage (before editing the cfg file to enable unofficial overclocking), I recall the voltage was at something like 1.164v, but now if I press reset on MSI Afterburner, it takes the voltage down to 1.100v...so that makes me wonder...is the stock voltage actually 1.164v, or 1.100v...?

 

[Mr Krugga]

No, it is with unofficial overclocking disabled. I think I found the issue though, the card overvolts up to 1.164V when leaving it at stock 1.100V. This is seriously wrong, how come you need so much voltage to do 775MHz on core?

When you set anything else but stock it will set at whatever you want. Can you test my theory, e.g. run your card at default voltages and 775/1125 and tell me if Afterburner reports 1.164V?

I'm also using Heaven 2.1 and BFBC2 for testing, they work well enough for me. Kombuster is crap, I was merely pointing out that the voltage monitoring is borked there too, even though it's MSI software.

 

[danceforfreedom]

Yeah I don't get that... out of the box it was 1.64 or 1.7 or something now since i've played around with everytime I hit reset it goes to 1.1v. DOn't know what thats about..

i bought two, one of mines faulty, do i rma or dsr it? started the rma procedure, its like sticking pins in your eye though, not impressed

If its faulty RMA it.

Mr Krugga does seem like you got a funny card if it wont handle any voltage adjustment what so ever. I don't know what I would do, if your out of the time frame for DSR you could send it back as faulty, like you mentioned its not doing what its advertised to do!

 

[Mr Krugga]

Ok, here are some findings.

The card overvolts to 1.164V if you overclock and leave unofficial overclocking disabled in Afterburner (therefore you'll limited to 775/1125) even though you set it to default 1.100V.

The card overvolts normally with unofficial overclocking enabled but I need to up the voltage to 1.149 to play anything at this settings. This is ridiculous since I needed so much voltage for 920/1200 overclock with my Sapphire.

Let's assume this card needs more voltage to run well enough but why so much more and why is it limited to 1300mV when clearly advertised as up to 1350mV?

 

[Marine-RX179]

No, it is with unofficial overclocking disabled. I think I found the issue though, the card overvolts up to 1.164V when leaving it at stock 1.100V. This is seriously wrong, how come you need so much voltage to do 775MHz on core?

When you set anything else but stock it will set at whatever you want. Can you test my theory, e.g. run your card at default voltages and 775/1125 and tell me if Afterburner reports 1.164V?

ok, this is what I done...I pressed reset, and the voltage is at 1.100v, core at 725MHz, memory at 1000MHz. I upped core clock to 775MHz and pressed apply, the voltage is still 1.100v...

Is this what you wanted me to test?

I'm starting to think that it could be possible that the 5850 Twin FrozR default voltage is actually 1.164V rather than 1.100v...

I'm also getting the feeling that the non-reference 5850 in general require higher voltage than the reference 5850, considering majority of the people couldn't clock their non-reference 5850 to beyond 800MHz on stock voltage...

 

[Mattyjw]

Mr. K if you don't want it DSR it. You get 7 WORKING DAYS starting the day after reciept that means the seven days start on wednesday the 29/12/10 and the 7th day is 07/01/11 because of the bank holidays extending the time, your responsible for the return postage though as it's in the T+C's, although if the T+C's weren't emailed to you you could argue it.

I haven't even unboxed mine yet due to waiting for an adequate quality psu to be delivered.

 

[Mr Krugga]

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Have you read my next post? The voltage control works fine with Unofficial Overclocking enabled, it doesn't work too well with it disabled though. I think the BIOS is borked on these cards.

Mr. K if you don't want it DSR it. You get 7 WORKING DAYS starting the day after reciept that means the seven days start on wednesday the 29/12/10 and the 7th day is 07/01/11 because of the bank holidays extending the time, your responsible for the return postage though as it's in the T+C's, although if the T+C's weren't emailed to you you could argue it.

I haven't even unboxed mine yet due to waiting for an adequate quality psu to be delivered.

I know the conditions of DSR, it means I'm going to lose £7 or so with RMSD. Still considering it, gonna give it another day of testing tomorrow, haven't finished testing it today either.

The receipt is dated for 23/12/2010 and the card was ordered on 16th Dec. I guess that gives me till 5th Januray to DSR it?

 

[MeMeMeMe]

Just to be clear: the "date of receipt" is the date you actually received it, not the date stamped on any invoice.

 

[Mr Krugga]

Just to be clear: the "date of receipt" is the date you actually received it, not the date stamped on any invoice.

That's great, got plenty of time to test the card and decide whether it's worth keeping (and if it has a faulty voltage controller indeed).

I'd be asking MSI for a new BIOS if I'm going to keep it though.

 

[Mattyjw]

The receipt is dated for 23/12/2010 and the card was ordered on 16th Dec. I guess that gives me till 5th Januray to DSR it?

It starts the working day after you have recieved the card so if you got it xmas eve the next working day is the 29th you have to inform OCUK of your intent to return by friday the 7th. Then Ocuk have to refund within 30 working days whether you've returned the cards or not. Return of goods is separate from the refund. Thats what I've read about it at least.

 

[Monster ninja]

do u think my cards fautly? i picked up my card from ocuk on the 24? can/should i take it back? have a look at some of my other posts in this tread

 

[Mattyjw]

do u think my cards fautly? i picked up my card from ocuk on the 24? can/should i take it back? have a look at some of my other posts in this tread

I don't think they're faulty I think MSi are being snide/arse covering they make a card that looks like it will overclock but cover themeselves if you 'overvolt' and kill it. They can say that they don't support the overclocking even though the marketing implies they do.

 

[Monster ninja]

at least it was only £120... and even stock speeds its a good deal for £120 however its sucks when it comes to overclocking!

 

[Irish_Hawk]

I won't be receiving my card till Thurs and I've never been much into overclocking.
I was planning on giving it a real go once I got this card. Is it really that bad at overclocking? Or have some of you just received faulty/not quite as good overclocking cards?

 

[Mattyjw]

at least it was only £120... and even stock speeds its a good deal for £120 however its sucks when it comes to overclocking!

It might also hold its value well in relative terms, I think you could probably still get a ton back in 9 to 12 months and not lose 50% to depreciation. That might be a little optimistic though.

 

[Marine-RX179]

I won't be receiving my card till Thurs and I've never been much into overclocking.
I was planning on giving it a real go once I got this card. Is it really that bad at overclocking? Or have some of you just received faulty/not quite as good overclocking cards?

Well, mine can overclock quite well, but it does require voltage of something like over 1.250v for over 900MHz stable. I think some people are having some problem with the voltage tweak or something...

 

[Mr Krugga]

Well, mine can overclock quite well, but it does require voltage of something like over 1.250v for over 900MHz stable. I think some people are having some problem with the voltage tweak or something...

I'm testing 785/1125 at 1.144V atm. Hopefully I can squeeze a little more juice with reasonable volts out of the card. I'm trying to get the best in terms of temps/noise/volts/clocks. This is how I found a sweetspot with my other 5850 that did 925 MHz on core and 1200 MHz on memory with as little as 1.149V.

Anything above that required more voltage which meant higher temps and a lot noisier fan settings. Overclock gains were also pretty poor above this value. In fact the 5850/70 don't gain much above 900 MHz or so. All memory modules should be able to do 1200 MHz as that's what they're rated for. Memory will throttle back if pushed over its limits thus requiring any overclock to be benched and compared with other scores. The memory overclock doesn't gain much in terms of performance anyway, it might help at higher resolutions/AA levels though. 1150 MHz or above should be more than enough for anyone.